Getting tired of Menzerna, Help!

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LandonZ

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well, I have been using menzerna religiously the past couple of years and lately it just hasn't been doing what I need. My process always starts with a rotary and orange pad with 3m perfect it rubbing compound(with orange foam pad), I love that stuff but man it burns the paint so bad. Now, here is my DOOZIE. Where do I go from here? I use menzerna and its get the burn and haze off sometimes, but sometimes it comes back within weeks and my customers are coming back. I have had 2 come back and complain. Is there a better polish/pad combo to use after my first CUT? any help would be appreciated!



Thanks

Landon
 
Are you doing wipe downs to check your work after polishing with the Menzerna?
 
Seems to be a growing trend....



Im going to give the new Meguiars M105/205 combo a shot. I just ordered it last night.



I'll still keep Menzerna 106 and 83rd on hand as they have not troubled me yet.
 
Thats a pretty aggressive first step....i highly doubt its needed all the time.....i would consider a milder first step or a first step that has diminishing abrasives so it can be worked down a bit....



you also dont mention what Menz products or pads you are using after the 3M and Orange pad combo......



i do alot of body shop work for a lacal Body shop and i use a mix of his products and mine....his COMPOUND as they call it is like beach sand and i use a lighter pad when i use that to compound so that i am not killing the paint and from there SIP on a HD polish or polish pad and then 106fa on a finish pad and i am golden.....



what about your process? How long are you working the next step or steps of Menzerna? you say that the 3M/Orange pad is BURNING the finish....you shouldnt be burning the finish with you product/pad combo.....this combo will leave trails and hazing but in my experience nothing that is not removeable with SIP and 106FA..... I would say ease up on the pressure and speed a bit with your 3m and maybe try a little water spritz or QD to keep it lubed....



FYI i am not trying to stick up for Menz because there is a ton of other great products out there....just giving my .02.......
 
The "Menzerna doesn't have fillers" has been debated a few times. Most of the stories start out like "everything looked perfect, then a few weeks later the swirls came back"



I've only used the non ceramiclear Intensive Polish and Final Polish with my PC so my view on its performance is judged towards my abilities and the PC abilities.



M105/205 is going to be your next go to combo.
 
If you're routinely getting "buffer burn" perhaps you should (as others have mentioned) reconsider your initial step rather than what comes after. Have you considered using some sort of wool pad for your initial compounding step? Heavy rotary users report that wool usually leaves a better finish after compounding than a foam pad. Also, as mentioned, you have not mentioned what Menz products/pads you are using as your followup steps to the compounding.
 
Yea why in the bloody hell are you "burning" the paint on your first step? My god kid!!!!???!?!?! Change up your first step pronto.. You should never be burning the paint much less think that's somehow a "normal" thing to be doing.
 
For me personally, I don't really care for orange pads, especially on a rotary. If I'm using a heavy compound like M105 I'll start out with a polishing pad. If I need more cut, than I'll move up to a wool pad because I find it's easy to handle on the rotary vs. orange foam.
 
Jakerooni said:
Yea why in the bloody hell are you "burning" the paint on your first step? My god kid!!!!???!?!?! Change up your first step pronto.. You should never be burning the paint much less think that's somehow a "normal" thing to be doing.
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Well, i would not say its a "Burn", it is leaving trails as he said. I wish I didnt have to use that 3m sand sometimes, but I dont use that unless its my last effort.. As in, I try my less abrasive polishes first. Maybe I went alittle far to say that I am actually burning the paint. Anyway, I guess what I need is a polish/pad combo that will work great as a first step with my rotary, I am very experienced with buffing and I just seem to be having some problems with my polishes. What do you recommend? Thanks to all that are responding!



Landon
 
It sounds to me like you are leaving hazing from your compounding step that isn't being removed fully (or is being filled) by your polishing step. You need to adjust your compounding step to leave less hazing (by using a different pad or compound or both) and/or use a more agressive middle polishing step to more fully remove the compounding haze. There's lots of great rotary users here who will steer you in the right direction.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
It sounds to me like you are leaving hazing from your compounding step that isn't being removed fully (or is being filled) by your polishing step. You need to adjust your compounding step to leave less hazing (by using a different pad or compound or both) and/or use a more agressive middle polishing step to more fully remove the compounding haze. There's lots of great rotary users here who will steer you in the right direction.
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I agree with you. I need a more aggressive second step that I can use, maybe as my first step in some cases. I am willing to purchase new pads and a polish that may help steer me in the right direction as well as some advice from some of you guys on here.
 
M105/M205



With M105 nothing comes back for me after 5x wipedowns with straight IPA.



I won't tell you what my results have been with the polishes that you mention as I don't want to get banned.
 
gmblack3a said:
M105/M205



With M105 nothing comes back for me after 5x wipedowns with straight IPA.
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So we finally make something in the USA again that beats imported products?? Yay!



EDIT: I suppose you're going to tell me that the M105 bottle says "Made in (some other country)" on it.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So we finally make something in the USA again that beats imported products?? Yay!



EDIT: I suppose you're going to tell me that the M105 bottle says "Made in (some other country)" on it.
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Nope. "Made in the USA" on my bottles. At least the on the original M105, M95, and M83. :getdown
 
I've tried almost every pro polish out there in the past 20 years of doing paint correction and I have not seen anything exceed the perfection and gloss that Menzerna gives.



The only downfall is that it takes a lot of time and patience to get the max peak and performance out of their polishes. But once you've mastered the perfect techniques and have the time to take them where they really outshine the competition, Menzerna polishes are still king in my hands.



If you are looking to do just basic quick corrections in a fast time then there is a lot of other products out there that will serve better.



I've seen cars that I did 2 years ago with Menzerna and all still look beyond spectacular.



Technique and time is the whole key! People at car shows always ask me how the hell I get my cars paint so perfect and stunning. Lots of time....
 
Im with you on that!! My car on the other hand looks spectacular and all I have ever used was menzerna, I didnt say I didn't love it, All i said was that I need something a bit more aggressive. Here is my car and I havent polished it in a year.

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