German Paint and Polymer Waxes?

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I pulled the following from http://www.carcareonline.com/protect_paint.html



"If you are using a polymer based wax on a German paint and have hazing or clouding of the wax, about the only thing that will work is to strip the polymer wax and rewax with a Carnauba based wax. German paints hate polymer-based waxes. I have spoken to paint chemists, the Glazurit people, Porsche, BMW and M/B people and to date have not gotten a viable reason for this. I have gotten a lot of mumbling and shuffling of feet, but no hard and fast answers. The American and Japanese paints can tolerate polymer waxes. The German paints just don't seem to react well with most of these products. "



What do Autopians and german car owners here think about this? Zaino worked great on my corvette but I'm getting a Porsche in January.
 
My '00 BMW and my wife's German made '97 Catera love Klasse. I think Car Care Specialities might need to review some of it's information and make changes based on using modern products and automotive finishes. Information that may have been true in years past can become outdated and incorrect and from my own experience this is one of them.
 
I think that's a bunch of bull!!! :rolleyes: I know countless numbers of BMW owners who swear by Zaino....and these are people that enter their cars in shows, and need them to be top notch!



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I used to use Zaino on my black 911 and never had a problem with clouding or hazing. I switched to Souveran because it's easier to use and on black Souveran looks better than Zaino.
 
On my Jet Black BMW I used Klasse AIO as the base and then applied P21S/S100 as a topper. I never have had any problems with the Klasse at all.

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It sure is nice to know that under that coat of wax that I have a much more durable acrylic layer of protection.



Cheers,

My Jet Black BMW Site
 
Never had a problem with Zaino on my Silver 02 VW GTI. I have also used Zaino and Klasse on an older,(Red) 90' 325IS. I have a friend that uses Zaino on his Black E-Class with no problems. The results are awesome and the durability is great. I really feel this information is out dated and old school. That is a great site and I have learned a lot there but some things like the above and the views on clay are not current IMO.

Regards, Eric
 
This has been discussed before, but it is worth quoting SP325 who said "....different colours for the same model in the same car plant are not always from the same paint company"



This quote is slightly out of context, but goes to show that paint is not limited to geographical areas. But it might be worth sending a PM to SP325, as he appears to know about such things.



Steven
 
isn't klasse a german product? why would they make it if german cars didn't react well with the product. anyway, haze can happen on any type of paint.
 
Thanks for the vote of confidence Lowejackson !!!!!

My background is that I was a development chemist for a US multinational paint company but in their European setup.

The initial comment of this thread may have been true a number of years ago but from what I know of the paint industry I would be very surprised if a generalised statement like this would be true now.

A modern paint system is made up as follows :

electrocoat (black and offers anticorosion properties)

primer (a std grey colour or can now be colourcoded with the colour coat)

colour coat (in Europe mainly waterbased/bourne but some colours are still solventbased/bourne)

Clearcoat (usually WB)



each layer of this system could be from a different paint company. The colourcoat could be a different company for each colour!!!

There are less and less paint companies supplying OEM coatings due to takeovers etc therefore rationalisation of paint system is taking place and global technology platforms are being implemented.



To confuse things even more any painted plastic trim can be sprayed by a contractor using totally different types of paint again, and in a different factory.



Does this help or not ?



Steve
 
I think I remember this thread floating around on another fourm for Mercedes. The author sells a non synthetic based wax, so that is where his bias comes from. Not only is it not based on facts or research, but he proves himself wrong buy stating that none of the experts can give him any validity to his statement. He obviously knows nothing about the art of persuasison! I have had many VW's, BMW's, and Mercedes. I currently have one of each and all of them have there winter coat of Klasse on them now, with no problems. I especially like his use of technical terms, as I was unaware that my car's paint had feelings, "German paints hate polymer-based waxes." Sounds like the only hate going on here is someone buying someone elses products!

Also did you read what he says about clay? He is very missinformed indeed. What I like about this site is the amout of factual information. Folks here will mask off portions of there car to test different products and what not.
 
I must say I'm continually amazed at the amount of knowledgeable people on this board. I will stop even looking at the site that made these false statements. I was also very concerned about his dislike of clay and how it scrapes the top layer of paint off! Scary...



Suffice to say I will use Zaino on my new Porsche in January. Still debating whether to clay or not, it will depend on the plastic bag test and how smooth the paint is. I'm working with the dealer to let me wash the car myself as part of the delivery prep. Am I anal or what!? Thanks all.
 
I Have Never Had A Hazing Problem On Any German Cars/Paints.

I Have Klassed a 2001 Black ML320

Zainoed a 2001 Black ML320, 2000 Designo Silver S500, 2000 Black ML430, 2003 Designo Silver Launch Edition SL500, 2002 Electric Red 2002 330cic, 2002 Brilliant Silver C320, Not A Problem On Any Of Them!
 
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