imported_NHBFAN
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Would you purchase Zaino if mixing wasn't involved?
That's what has always stopped me.
That's what has always stopped me.
? for non zaino users
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Yes, of course. I don't care about layering, I just want to polish and seal with a minumum of fuss. If my choice is between 2 products whose appearance I consider very similar and I have to mix one or just grab the other one and start applying, I'll go with the product in the ready to use form.
4830Deuce
Burn Then Buff!
im with scott yes i would...it would also help if it wasnt all about using the whole system to get the best results, i mean they are all formulated with the sole intention of using only zaino products...it would be nice if using other products was considered in the development...I know im going to get some nasty comments about this one...
-Justin
-Justin
White95Max
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Exactly like Justin said. It bothers me that they tell you to always use their products and only their products. Can't use any AIO/RMG/VM/etc under the Zaino...
I'll stick with my non-Zaino stuff.
I'll stick with my non-Zaino stuff.
Horseman2475
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Scottwax said:
Ditto. I do use Z-16 on my tires!
4830Deuce said:
That is completely illogical :think: How much sense would it make for a company to make a product that needed other brands for the best results? Doesn't sound like a business plan I would want.
Most every car care company has many products in their lines. Even Werkstatt has multiple products in their line that are formulated to work with one another...give optimum results. It's no different for Zaino.
Other products (ie. soaps, QDs, etc.) can be used with Zaino. Even with Z2 Pro alone, outstanding results can be had.
imported_hadboosttroy
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i have used several polishes under zaino, and use other soaps and have awesome durability so I wouldn't say that you have to use all their products if you don't want to. their soap is the best thing ever I just don't like paying so much for a small quantity.
Mikeyc
TheDetailingHandBook.com
I too don't appreciate that you have to mix Zaino before using it. I'm also put off by the obnoxious and fanatical support displayed by some Zaino users. I also don't use Zaino because they recommend things I don't feel are good detailing practices like the Dawn wash. One of the first things I learned about detailing was not to use dishwashing soap. So, this is an extremely engrained belief in my mind. Plus it dries rubber/plastic among other detriments.
So, I guess no matter what they did to their products I would never use them.
So, I guess no matter what they did to their products I would never use them.
White95Max
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ZaneO said:
Of course other companies recommend using all their products together, but they aren't products that *won't* work at all with other brands.
Fourstar recommends using UPC before UPP, and then maintaining with UGE. But you don't HAVE to use FourStar products before and after UPP. That's the difference.
White95Max said:
Well said.
A lot more people would try Zaino if current users weren't so damn fanatical about it. I remember the days when Zaino first started gaining popularity with f body and corvette owners and they would brag about how many coats of Zaino their car had.
Lorne
I finally took the plunge to do Zaino after seeing what it did for a
red Ford Lightning. Owner says it has 3 coats from a few months
back during the summer. After that, and the reviews here, I had to try it.
The "Z" look on my car was definitely worth the cost.
All that said, If I have to use Zaino on a customer car, I will charge a few
bucks more. The amount of work to mix the product, and the waste
involved, and the fact that some Zaino folks make me feel like a dunce for
using anything other than their products, make me inclined not to use it
very often. Wolfgang, for example, seems much friendlier and equally stunning
in terms of how it looks on painted surfaces. It may not last as long as some
claim, but then again, I don't have to put in nearly as much work.
red Ford Lightning. Owner says it has 3 coats from a few months
back during the summer. After that, and the reviews here, I had to try it.
The "Z" look on my car was definitely worth the cost.
All that said, If I have to use Zaino on a customer car, I will charge a few
bucks more. The amount of work to mix the product, and the waste
involved, and the fact that some Zaino folks make me feel like a dunce for
using anything other than their products, make me inclined not to use it
very often. Wolfgang, for example, seems much friendlier and equally stunning
in terms of how it looks on painted surfaces. It may not last as long as some
claim, but then again, I don't have to put in nearly as much work.
I use Zaino on my own vehicles /w a topper of Carnauba Wax and Zaino is long lasting protection especially for long distant drivers like myself. I travel thousand miles a year in snow, rain and 105* and Zaino is the only sealer that can handle it. I don’t use Zaino on my customers cars because they DON’T want to spend two hundred dollars more for me to put it on and I don’t even bother to ask them.
You don’t have to mix Zaino only if you want to apply other coat/s in a short matter of time same goes with any polymer sealer. You have to wait less then 24 hrs between coats of any polymer sealer. Zaino does look best if you apply Z5 first then Z2 and looks the best with at lest 3 or 4 coats.
I put Zaino two times a year on the car that I travel a lot and maybe quick coat of Z2 in between. You don’t have to use dish soap, I use 50/50 ISA MF wipe down or touch ups in between I use hi tech car wash #00 /w MF wipe down takes me no longer then any other sealer would.
Zaino on my own cars and customers cars sealer w/ a topper
You don’t have to mix Zaino only if you want to apply other coat/s in a short matter of time same goes with any polymer sealer. You have to wait less then 24 hrs between coats of any polymer sealer. Zaino does look best if you apply Z5 first then Z2 and looks the best with at lest 3 or 4 coats.
I put Zaino two times a year on the car that I travel a lot and maybe quick coat of Z2 in between. You don’t have to use dish soap, I use 50/50 ISA MF wipe down or touch ups in between I use hi tech car wash #00 /w MF wipe down takes me no longer then any other sealer would.
Zaino on my own cars and customers cars sealer w/ a topper
4830Deuce
Burn Then Buff!
ZaneO said:
I agree with you, but zaino does not consider the use of other company’s products...I mean so many people use AIO but not SG b/c they don’t like the look or the hassle of SG... They prefer a different look...With zaino you get the zaino look, and that’s what you get to use on every color car you put it on. Myself and many others like to mix and match products to get the certain look they prefer on that specific color. This allows a customization of the users preferences to be had with a company’s product. I know some people love the zaino line, I see cars on here that look damn good with it, but its just not the way that i like to go about detailing. I understand where many zaino users are coming from and understand why they choose to use them. Its just not for me…
-Justin
White95Max said:
4830Deuce said:
It's quite obvious from this board that you can use a plethora of products with Zaino. Before ZPC, Sal recommended 3M and Malco polishes for deep polishing...
Like I said, Werkstatt products were formulated to give optimum results when used in conjunction with the complementary Werkstatt products...I can almost guarantee they didn't formulate them to be used with Meguiar's #26, etc.
4830Deuce said:
That's cool...everyone has their favorites that work well for them.
It's like other people passing judgement on Werkstatt without using it.I'm not all trying to say that you are using the wrong products or anything like that. I'm just disagreeing with your logic/reasoning.
:2thumbs:
wannafbody
wannafbody
Well I think Zaino is good but for the cost of 16 ounces of Z2PRO and ZFX I could purchase Prime and AJ and have more product that lasts nearly as long (without mixing) with what some claim is a wetter appearance. I've also used Duragloss which many have compared as being similar to Z in both look and durability. It is good but I prefer the look of other products better on my NBM paint. Also I have been radically flamed by some Z users on this board in the past which raises some ethical questions regarding those particlular users/detailers. I'll spend my money with companies who don't have users who flood the internet with biased posts and act like a PR spokesman to promote a product. I have products I like and will say so LOUDLY but I'm not here promoting 1 line of products. Many companies produce very good looking , durable products.
Mikeyc
TheDetailingHandBook.com
A lot of good points have been made in this thread.
Personally, the price is not a factor to me. I'm willing to spend whatever it takes to make my car look great. I may end up living in my car, but it will be shiney!
Also, durability is meaningless to me as well. I don't care how long the LSP lasts as long as I can get minimum 4-6 weeks I'm happy.
To me the most important quality of an LSP is the look it leaves and I don't really like the look of Zaino. On many colors it makes the paint look like plastic. In general, I prefer the look of carnaubas, but I also feel there are many sealants which leave a more aesthetically pleasing look compared to Zaino.
Personally, the price is not a factor to me. I'm willing to spend whatever it takes to make my car look great. I may end up living in my car, but it will be shiney!
Also, durability is meaningless to me as well. I don't care how long the LSP lasts as long as I can get minimum 4-6 weeks I'm happy.
To me the most important quality of an LSP is the look it leaves and I don't really like the look of Zaino. On many colors it makes the paint look like plastic. In general, I prefer the look of carnaubas, but I also feel there are many sealants which leave a more aesthetically pleasing look compared to Zaino.
4830Deuce
Burn Then Buff!
wannafbody said:
alright lets keep it civil, so far this has been a great thread but its getting close to chaos. A few of us got into a heated debate on another forum about this same subject a few weeks ago b/c of my kind words for the werkstatt line. I really left a bad taste in my mouth for the forum, but no so much the people... Obviously Zaino has a very loyal following but just b/c they like the products dosent mean that they are telling everybody they are wrong not to use them, there might be a few who do so , but lets not generalize like that...
-Justin
imported_chpsk8
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Well, for a pro I think the hinderance would be the cost of the additional material to mix. The function of mixing is trivial. Add a couple drops, shake shake, apply. Tell me when that gets difficult.
For the weekend warrior you really don't even have to mix. Just do the two step, Z1, Z2, wait overnight, then Z2 again. Geez, on a hot day you can easily get two coats of Z2 on without the 24 lag time. Personally I don't like the results when using the ZFX and stick to the two step instead. I feel it is more slick and has better longevity. I've been using Sals stuff for a long time and have found it to be intrisicly simple to use.
I once did a demo in my driveway and had about 14 people watching as I applied Z to a black truck. After applying the Z2 I gave the microfibre to the neighbors wife and asked her to wipe it off for me. Everyone was shocked at how simple it was to use. Because it's a sealant nad there are no oils in it, it makes it easy to use. My neighbor said he could probably get his wife to wax his car since it was so simple to use. My wife does her own while I do the other two! It saves me some time at least.
Sorry, I know I shouldn't have gone off on "why Z is good", but I am a little baffled as to why mixing would be such a hinderance.
Is it cost, time, or the inconvenience. If it's the inconvenience, have you tried it to see if it's really that difficult? just curious.
For the weekend warrior you really don't even have to mix. Just do the two step, Z1, Z2, wait overnight, then Z2 again. Geez, on a hot day you can easily get two coats of Z2 on without the 24 lag time. Personally I don't like the results when using the ZFX and stick to the two step instead. I feel it is more slick and has better longevity. I've been using Sals stuff for a long time and have found it to be intrisicly simple to use.
I once did a demo in my driveway and had about 14 people watching as I applied Z to a black truck. After applying the Z2 I gave the microfibre to the neighbors wife and asked her to wipe it off for me. Everyone was shocked at how simple it was to use. Because it's a sealant nad there are no oils in it, it makes it easy to use. My neighbor said he could probably get his wife to wax his car since it was so simple to use. My wife does her own while I do the other two! It saves me some time at least.
Sorry, I know I shouldn't have gone off on "why Z is good", but I am a little baffled as to why mixing would be such a hinderance.
Is it cost, time, or the inconvenience. If it's the inconvenience, have you tried it to see if it's really that difficult? just curious.