First attempt at use of my new rotary - results and questions.

Hey guys. I just took my first pass at using my new rotary, since my small backplate and 6.5" meguairs softbuff pads just showed up. I got the burgundy cutting pad and the yellow polishing pad. I figured I should start out with the yellow pad, which was probably a good call. I don't have any scrap panels, and my 04 Cummins powered ram is still an expensive and nice vehicle, so I decided I'd play it safe and start learning on the roof. With the Kore suspension and 35" tires, unless you are shaq, you can't see my roof anyway, so I figured it was safe :)



First and foremost, HS is this new makita sweet! I had taken passes with an orange griots polishing pad and my griot's version of the pc many times on this roof, including using products like ssr2.5, ssr3, and even tried optimum hyper compound. None of the above removed the swirls, only maybe 80%, mostly the fine swirls, leaving all of the scratches and heavier swirls regardless of speed, pressure, or passes. Well today I fired up the new makita, with the yellow polishing pad and some optimum compound. I set the speed around 1200, somewhere between 2 and 3 on the dial.



I had what I am guessing are newbie issues controlling the machine. I tried keeping one edge of it slighty angled up, which ended up being the right edge, and the left edge the most down on the paint. With this setup I was able to complete a back and forth and forward and back alternating motion as I would with the pc, with reasonable control. However I noticed that in certain directions it would want to skip around a bit. For example if I had the left edge down/right edge up, it did pretty well moving to the left, but when moving to the right it wanted to pull itself across the paint it seemed. What's the trick here, do you guys alternate edges, keep the pad flatter, or what? Overall my passes just seemed a bit choppy, and surprisingly the more sections I worked, and the more polish I had in the pad, the more choppy and jumpy it seemed to get. All tips appreciated!



The good news is even after my stumbling first attempt at this, when I toweled off all the OC, much to my surprise, ALL the swirls were gone! There were some slight hazing/buffer marks left, which I'm assuming was from all the jumping around the pad did. I grabbed my pc with the griot's orange pad, and some optimum polish this time, and followed up over the same areas on speed 5. All the hazing marks were gone and the paint looked pristine. I was quite pleased, even though it was a bumpy ride so to speak. I didn't get a chance to take any pics, I barely slapped some AIO on there before it started drizzling a few minutes ago.



Overall I'm really pleased with the results, but would love some tips and comments.
 
that's excellent. I know the swirls have frustrated you for a long time - - glad to hear you are enjoying success.



Yes, the Makita is a fine tool. I really enjoy using mine even though it's probably limited to 3 - 4 times per year.



Yeah, the machine certainly takes some getting used to. I found using the large 8" pads (flat) makes learning and handling the machine a bit easier.



Good luck.
 
That's funny - most people that replied to my last post all said to start with the 6.5" pads as they'd be easier to learn on! I guess it's different for everyone. Almost every guide I read said to have it up at an angle... is there a downside to doing it flat? I did get a big Lake Country variable contour white pad I could try.



The swirls have definitely frustrated me for a while. I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with the machine enough to try it on vertical or curved surfaces yet, but maybe after I do my friend's car with 140k on it as a test run I will tackle the big Cummins!
 
I was just asking about the idea of the what and why behind tilting / holding flat:

http://autopia.org/forum/showpost.php?p=750131&postcount=22

(didn't get any responses)

I researched some more and came across this post that seems to confirm my assumptions (the post from Mark Mcguire) :

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5713&highlight=floors

(I hope cross linking to another forum is OK, I couldn't find the same info on this forum).



In that post he states that slight upward lift on the handle to go left, and slight downward to go right.

I visualize that lifting up a tad really means you're putting more contact around 1-2 o'clock. Since the rotary spins clockwise, this means that the rotary is pushing to the left. For a slight downward movement I visualize 7-8 o'clock, so the buffer wants to go right (it's still spinning clockwise).



I have never yet used a rotary, but I expect the amount of up and down is SLIGHT. According to the second post I referenced, the further you move up/down the greater the pushing effect. And according to the first post I referenced, it seems that if you follow this rule you should minimize holograms etc since you're going with the flow.



I can't wait to give it a shot, I'm super excited. :)

I just gave my wife's car a thorough washing tonight, but got drafted into childcare while she goes shopping.. I was really hoping to clay and buff at least the roof tonight, but it's looking unlikely. :(

I'll post back if I find my experience matches my expectations.



HTH!



EDIT - just to be clear - I'm talking about up/down on the handle that has the trigger, not the side handle.
 
You want a very slight tilt as the reply before me said. Don't get too much on the edge of the pad or you will swirl the paint! The flater, the less swirls...It will just take time and experience to get it down. The skipping is usually caused by the pad getting 'dirty' ie too much product and needs cleaned. I clean my pad with a tooth brush. Using the lowest speed, turn on your buffer...and grasp the handle of the tooth brush firmly...and move the bristles of the brush back and forth over the pad until it is cleaned.
 
That would make sense pittssteelers (go browns! ;)) as it seemed to spread the product and jump a lot less when I first started compared to after I was using it for a while. I may have been using too much product.
 
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