Ever have trouble applying thin liquid sealents?

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wizardofahs

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I have. My first expierence with 1z glanz yesterday caused a mess. All 1z products i've tried so far are reallly really thin liquids, which cause some interesting application problems. To get the pad saturated it seems to take quite a bit of product, than when it hits the car so much of it goes on that it leaves a thick layer and is a pain to buff. I ended up kind of improvising a solution that really helped out a lot.



I had some of those small 2 oz zaino bottles that my glanz was in. So took off the spray nozel from one of my short sprayer bottles (The one's cma sells that you can put water in to moist your buffer pad), and stuck the nozzle in that botttle. Then rather turning the bottle upside down and saturating the pad, i just had to spray a little on the pannel and rub in it.



It ended up working great. The only problem is that the nozel didn't screw onto the bottle (different sizes), so it had a top open and could easily spill. I got a picture of it. Soon as i get those hosted ill post it.
 
Yes, the new Zaino Z5 did streak a bit, but that's why I have a mix of Z7/water in a spray bottle for those areas that get the streak, then gone!



Ya gotta love the way we Autopians improvise when a problem come up. Great idea! Now if you can find a small enough spray bottle, I'd try beauty supply houses for those small ones they use!



Regards,

Deanski
 
I'm new to the "acrylics scene" having been a carnuba man most of my life.



I just finsihed applying BlackFire I & II and I find that the application of the protectorant (BF II) is tricky.



As you said Dr. Jones the thin liquid can leave streaks that require extra work to remove them. That's what happenend to me. I found you have to be very precise in the amount you apply. No more than a nickle size for half a hood. The tendency is to use more. Plus, In the case of BlackFire, the best results are obtained by waiting hours (even over night) before removing with a MF towel. I then topped with 2 coats of S-100. Can't resist using that carnuba!!!



Though I was willing to do all this for my new Acura I don't know if I'd use BF again :confused: :confused: :confused:



Is there an acrylic that is easier to use?
 
hey doc jones, when using the 1Z glanz wax you really don't want to saturate the applicator too much. it is a bear to remove if you put it on too thick. i always put mine on with one of those terry(circle) apps. i usually cover the opening with the app and pour; that gives me a circle of product about the size of a nickle. then i do the same thing one more time right next to the 1st circle of product and then start speading. with all 1z products you only need the product to be no bigger than the size of a quarter. the glanz may work a little better on one of those foam apps, but for now i'm sticking to what works for me. try it out; and btw you're little sprayer idea sounds pretty cool and makes alot of sense. if you use any other 1z products with the pc making a line from one end of the bonnet to the other is all you'll need to do at leat half a hood or more. i love the 1z line, just wish i could get some of it sold instead of me using it up myself.
 
I think a terry pad wastes more product than a foam pad. You have to get a foam pad somewhat saturated so you can slide the pad along the paint.



Dr Groove, AIO.
 
use the aio and s100 combo for the best shine possible, but i would get klasse sg(hard to use if you apply too much and buff it off immediately) for the winter or if you prefer not to detail your cars as much. I find that with sg on my car, dirt and other contaminants tend to stay off it.
 
Blackfire is such a pain to buff off...it loves to streak it seems. But the results are good, and I don't have to worry about excercising anymore as blackfire gives me a good enough workout.
 
Is Blackfire 2 more difficult to apply than Blackfire 1 ? I find the older version comes off easily, and without streaks on my black Jetta. Does the new version last any longer for its extra work?
 
jermar said:
Is Blackfire 2 more difficult to apply than Blackfire 1 ? I find the older version comes off easily, and without streaks on my black Jetta. Does the new version last any longer for its extra work?
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Hmm since i bought it a month ago I thought I had blackfire 2 but looking at the container it appears I just have the original blackfire. I too am interested in blackfire 2 is any better
 
Ok so apparently I do have blackfire 2. It doesn't say it on the bottle but anything you buy since Oct 2002 or whatever is the new formulation.



Also I discovered I was not letting it dry long enough. I was putting it on and then in a few minutes buffing it off and it was streaking...I was treating it like AIO but in reality I just need to wait an hour or two for it to haze.
 
jermar said:
Is Blackfire 2 more difficult to apply than Blackfire 1 ? I find the older version comes off easily, and without streaks on my black Jetta. Does the new version last any longer for its extra work?
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BF II is actually very easy to apply. Just put a dime-sized drop on your applicator, dab it evenly across a panel and then start spreading it (the TortoiseAWD Method). It's very easy to apply it very thinly. The problem is buffing it out.... I waited over an hour before buffing and all it did was smear all over the place. I even tried letting it dry overnight but got the same results. Once I did get the smears to a manageable level, the shine was one of the best I've ever seen....
 
Jermar- The BFII is a lot more work than BFI, but it definitely lasts a LOT longer. No comparison. Removing it is enough of a pain for me (haze, smears, etc.) that I'm using Platinum next time.



To apply thin products, I hold the applicator over the aperture of the bottle. Shake bottle. This deposits a tiny dot of product on the applicator. Move applicator and shake again to deposit another tiny dot. Repeat as often as necessary until there's just enough product on the applicator to do the area in question (I DON'T do more than 1/5 of a hood or 1/4 door EVER, and that's on SMALL vehicles). With this method I use FAR less than a ounce of SG to do a minivan, including the door jambs, wheels, etc.
 
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