even bother with an orbital?

smak

smak

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could you do everything a orbital could do with a quality rotary?



i'm wondering if i should even bother getting a PC? just step up to the metabo and be done with it.



how much vibration does the PC generate? like a pager on vibe mode, more.. less?



i'm thinking that using a quality rotary on 1500rpm would be much more theraputic overall. once the learning curve passes that is.
 
It is hard to say. To each his own. I have both now and use them for different things. I have hit the limit of the PC many times. It did not take me very long to learn the rotary but I use tools for a living woodworking and carpentry.
 
This gets asked so often I can almost predict who will say what :D



I'd get the PC (or a Cyclo, or better yet both) as well as the rotary. If you get holograms from the rotary you'll be glad you have the D/A. And when you don't need the power of the rotary the D/A can be quick and easy. I know some people get by with one or the other (and some of these people are rather, uhm, opinionated about it), but to me it's like asking if you need a hand saw or should you just get a chainsaw (or a .22 or an elephant gun, etc., etc.).



I hardly ever use the rotary, but I use the Cyclo (and to a lesser extent the PC) all the time.



If the vibes from PC are a concern (and yeah, it's not exactly pleasant for some people) consider the Cyclo.
 
so the cyclo doesent vibrate so much? i'm guessing it has a shorter throw maybe but more spinning?



i hear it has issues breaking down aio and some other polishes too quickly, anyone try it with newer ocp or z-pc?



have folks experienced good results using diminishing abrasive polishes with the cyclo?
 
smak said:
so the cyclo doesent vibrate so much? i'm guessing it has a shorter throw maybe but more spinning?
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Much, much smoother operation. No comparison IMO. The speed is actually only about setting 3/5 on the PC, but it still acts more aggressive. Probably because the Cyclo was designed to polish vehicles and the PC was designed to sand wood.



i hear it has issues breaking down aio and some other polishes too quickly, anyone try it with newer ocp or z-pc?
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Haven't tried it with those, but yeah, it does *NOT* work well with AIO. Might work OK with #80 with different pads, I didn't experiment much. But I didn't put it away and get out the PC either ;) It just made the #80 do a more filling than removal. But this *was* on very hard clear where the #80 probably wouldn't do much anyhow. I dunno....it might actually work *fine* with #80, I don't want to make it sound like a cut-and-dried :nono



have folks experienced good results using diminishing abrasive polishes with the cyclo?
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Just depends on the product. I primarily use it with 3M's old PI-III stuff and 1Z. I've used it with other polishes too, and based on that I'd *guess* that it would work well with Optimum. It's not like the Cyclo is really product sensitive. I used it for years before I got a PC, and I only got the PC because the Cyclo didn't really suit the contours of my XJS.



The Cyclo works great for applying paste wax by machine.
 
The Cyclo works fine with Optimum polish and compound. I used to reach for my PC first and my B&D rotary second. I have added the Cyclo and Hitachi rotary and I reach for the rotary first and then the Cyclo only getting the PC is absolutely necessary. I can polish with the Cyclo and talk on the phone at the same time(try that with the PC). If I had to choose one or the other, the Cyclo would be my choice. If I was choosing between the Cyclo and the rotary I'm taking the rotary. The Hitachi rotary is a very good piece available for a very good price on ebay(current auction has it for $134 shipped and insured). I would put it right there with the Makita and it comes with a 5 year warranty.
 
If you only really wnat to get one.. have you thought about the Makita BO6040 as a compromise??

It has forced rotation so is more aggressive than a PC, but not as dangerous as a rotary..

on tough jobs, I use the rotary first (Makita 9227) then I finish off with the RO (Makita BO6040). I find the job gets done much much quicker this way.. but then again, I'm a noob, so my rotary skills may not be as good as others..
 
but the dual mode (rotary / d/a) makita still has a orbital type motion in rotary mode right?



how does it feel? does it make you think your fillings are being vibrated loose, or is it a bit more pleasant like a cyclone?
 
smak said:
but the dual mode (rotary / d/a) makita still has a orbital type motion in rotary mode right?



how does it feel? does it make you think your fillings are being vibrated loose, or is it a bit more pleasant like a cyclone?
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The Makita BO6040 always jiggles.

Mode A: Runs the same a a PC. ie will jiggle and the spin, but with too much pressure it can easily bog down.

Mode B: Forced rotation. you lock it into gear and it will jiggle and alwaya rotate no matter ho much pressure you apply. The rotation will only go up to a max speed of 600rpm. not very fast, but you have to add the opm into the equation as well..



How does it feel?? well I have and Ozito RO and it feels way better than the Ozito. I can easily do a whole car at max OPM/RPM and not get close to having numb hands...
 
I have a Mak d/a, a PC, and a rotary (plan to buy a cyclo as well).

I can tell you thateven though myrotary skills have dramatically improved,

I can still see minor swirling. So when I am using the rotary, I am always

expecting to folowup with either the PC or the Mak d/a. The combo always

guarantees me a near flawless finish.
 
an opinion from someone who's only had the PC for under a year. I really can't mess up my car's paint with the PC. I can with the Rotary. I've seen a lot of 'trained' people swirl up a cars paint with a rotary. I just prefer to play it safe. Some guys on here make it look easy. For me, at least when I go out to polish my car I know I can't hurt the paint even if I mess up or get a little rushed.
 
so the makita dual mode is more of a PC and Cyclone in one.



could be promising. the grip seems less awkward also.
 
smak said:
so the makita dual mode is more of a PC and Cyclone in one.



could be promising. the grip seems less awkward also.
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Nah, I'd saythe BO6040 more like a PC and a *rotary* all in one. I've heard both pro and con opinions about it, same as with most anything.



I for one don't like that sort of ergonomic design, don't like the PC much for the same reason. But to each their own.



FWIW, only *one* person who's tried both my PCs and my Cyclos preferred the PCs. Everyone else *really* preferred the Cyclos ;) The Cyclo makes for an easy transition to a rotary too (IMO). It's just more similar to the rotary than a PC is, handling-wise.
 
how does the cyclo make this transition easier? i have heard that a few times in my searched posts.



is it easier to leave swirls behind thus improved technique is required? or do you mean its got a similar grip (meant by "handling wise"?)



i'd imagine with the two pads running at once it's a bit akward.. plus, i imagine it's tedious to grip and do the top of an unlowered vehicle without some sort of step ladder (which just doesent seem my bag when it comes to detailing supplies)



dont hold any punches! i'm on the fence here.



let me know what you really think :)



and and does the cyclo have variable speed? or does your only salvation lie wthin pad selection?
 
Smak- I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version as I don't have time to ramble on about the Cyclo the way I usually would ;)



No variable speed. But if you pick the right pads/products and you won't have any trouble.



The twin heads are not (IMO) awkward, I use the machine one-handed with either hand and every time I use the thing I think how pleasant a tool to use it really is.



I stand on work platforms when I do our minivan, but using the Cyclo in *any* position just isn't hard for me. But I have pretty well developed forearms. Still, my elderly father used it without any problems and he couldn't *stand* to use the PC under any circumstances.



The whole ergonomic issue is gonna boil down to personal preference. You might hate one machine or the other or like 'em both :nixweiss



The shape of the handle/general shape of the machine are similar to a rotary. Trying "no-pause figure-8 motions", for instance, is as natural with the Cyclo as with a rotary. You can easily pretend you're using a rotary and develop the muscle-memory without the risks of botching up with a (real) rotary. No such knowledge transfer from using a PC.



The Cyclo is somewhat more effective/efficient than the PC, but using 4" pads on a PC will lessen the gap.
 
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