Einszett- It Can be Topped w/Carnuba

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imported_Dude

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Here's a copy of an email exchange I had with Mike at Einszett. It looks like it can be topped with a carnuba wax.



Interestingly, like Zaino, Einszett can be removed with alcohol. I bet the two have a lot in common, although they are obviously very different products; Zaino is a paste, while Einszett is a liquid.



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Hi Matthew.



Thanks for the kind remarks regarding our products.



I have never done such a layering before but I see no harm in putting a layer of carnauba on top. GW is very resistant to any outside influences--you either have to use a polish to remove it or rubbing alcohol. The solvents in the carnauba paste are so minute that it will have little effect. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, let me know!



Regards,



Michael Mankarious

einszett Car Care Systeme, N.A. :: MIMAN Corp.

1z-usa.com

+ (714) 990 2028

-----Original Message-----

From: Matthew E. Hess [mailto:mhess@blechercollins.com]

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:58 PM

To: michael@einszettNA.com

Subject: Wax on top





Michael-



I just purchased a bunch of your products and was very, very impressed. My question is this: can I put a coat of traditional carnauba wax on top of my coat of Glanz Wax? Will the solvents in the carnauba in any way cut short or limit the lifespan of the Glanz Wax?



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Dude said:
Zaino is a paste, while Einszett is a liquid.
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:confused: :confused: Not unless your Zaino bottles froze! :D





I'd assume then that you can't apply more of the Glanz over the carnauba, if it acts like a sealant?



Of course, nearly any product can be removed with a polish or alcohol. But, sounds like you could take a "Zaino" approach to the function and appication of Glanz. Sounds interesting...
 
Mike-



You are right; I meant to say that Zaino has a thicker consistency.



Unlike Zaino, Einszett can't be layered. That's what it says on their web site, anyway.



I wonder what Einszett is? It's probably a polymer, too, but unlike the polymers we know and love, it's pure liquid. Also, it dries right away. Interesting...
 
Heres what Micheal told me about the make-up of Einszett's Glanz Wax. This is directly out of the e-mail.



"Our Glanz Wax is synthetic but not acrylic. So, it'sa man-made wax based on carnauba. So what you essentially have is the gloss of carnauba but with the longevity and durability that only a synthetic can provide.





Our Express Polish is actually a cleaner/wax combo. That contains liquid carnauba. It's longevity is not more than 2-3 months."
 
I didn't know it could not be layered....must have missed that in other discussions. And, even though I've been to their website a few times, I didn't catch it on there either....but wasn't reading too carefully....my fault I'm sure. heheh



Hmmm, if it's synthetic, but not an acrylic, it must be a polymer of some sort...but there are thousands of polymer types available. No telling, unless it is lab analyzed or you know the owner/creator really, really well. ;) I'm strictly guessing here, but if it's marketed to look like a carnauba, it's probably silicon or silicone based. Not that it's a bad thing, but that's my guess for now.



From other reviews, it sounded more like Klasse than Zaino. Thanks for the info about the layering though. I'd know NOT to top it over Zaino, Klasse, or anything else....



Mike

:)
 
MikeLS said:
Hmmm, if it's synthetic, but not an acrylic, it must be a polymer of some sort...but there are thousands of polymer types available. No telling, unless it is lab analyzed or you know the owner/creator really, really well. ;) I'm strictly guessing here, but if it's marketed to look like a carnauba, it's probably silicon or silicone based. Not that it's a bad thing, but that's my guess for now
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I haven't used this product ever, but I don't think it's silicone. I believe it is a wax like a carnauba except it doesn't come from a tree but rather a lab. Sort of like Mobil1 is oil, but it comes from a lab instead of the ground. I believe they just manufacture the wax molecules instead of finding them in nature. I guess it means they can make it more consistent and such so it lasts a few extra months.
 
Andre' said:
If the Express polish is a carnauba you can't top it with Glanz wax, correct?
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Heres what Micheal said about Express: "Our Express Polish is actually a cleaner/wax combo. That contains liquid carnauba. It's longevity is not more than 2-3 months."



If Glanz wax is not layerable, than surely it would remove the express polish below it.
 
cvcaelen said:
My Z2 is like water-thick:nixweiss
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Mine is sort of like a McDonald's milkshake. Not too thick, but not thin like water, either. Einzeitt is a clear liquid. It pours just like water; it's not water, though- water doesn't smell like that! :)
 
fyi: mike at einszett told me the glanz wax uses a small amount of silicon oil to make it shine- between 10 & 12 % of product volume.
 
The FAQ section on einszett's web site has a little blurb on silicone. Basically, their products do contain it, but they say it is safe; only new paint is adversely affected by silicone. That pretty much seems to track with what we already knew.



Einszett also has a silicone-free line of products for use in body shops.
 
Dude!

How would You rate Einszett's shine, what would You compared it too.Possible a BF or P21s,Klasse SG,or Zaino,a specially to Bf on 1 to 10 scale

Thanks!

Serg:wavey
 
Hmmm....I suppose my guess about the silicone wasn't too far off. ;) Having gone through dozens of products I guess it becomes kinda easy to estimate the contents of a product from it's description. Some are a challenge however, and those are the fun ones!



:)
 
serg said:
Dude!

How would You rate Einszett's shine, what would You compared it too.Possible a BF or P21s,Klasse SG,or Zaino,a specially to Bf on 1 to 10 scale

Thanks!

Serg:wavey
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The shine is excellent. It has a very high gloss (like Zaino) and the warmth and depth of a carnuba. It's not as shiny as Zaino, or as deep and warm as a carnuba (it's close, though), but it looks GREAT. I have to say that I am very happy with it. The jury is still out on durability, though. I've applied it to three cars, two of which (my wife's Mercedes and my father-in-law's Taurus) are parked outside 24/7. The third, my Jeep, lives indoors most of the time. This should give us a good idea as to how long Einzett will last.



Compared to other products, Einszett is about 90% as refelctive as Zaino, but much, much warmer. You can really see the difference. Einzett does appear to slightly darken the paint, though. It's maybe 70% as deep as Blitz, and it's just as warm. I haven't tried P21S or BF, so can't say how Einszett compares to them.
 
Thank You very much for the reply !



It would be hard to describe better than You did !



Thanks, Serg:wavey
 
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