Duragloss PBA

budman3

budman3

Detail time!
Lets talk about Duragloss #601 Polish Bonding Agent.

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I know the process and for those that do not:
-Apply by hand to a clean finish. Thin, thin, thin. Let haze for 10 minutes, do not remove, apply a polymer sealant on top, let haze and remove them both together.

Seems simple enough... but does it work? Is it anything more than a paint cleaner with added protection?

Since it can be used with any polymer sealant, what sealants have you tried DG 601 with? How did the durability differ than using the sealant alone? How were the looks? Removal issues? Can the sealant being put on top of #601 be applied with a PC?

Okay, I think thats all that I am curious about :cool:. With other 'bonding agents' coming onto the market I am curious how this Duragloss product performs. Thanks for any information.
 
I tried it with 105 as the topper, worked great. I think it's a better shine and much more depth than WG or PB's Natty's.
 
Budman, I did a review on DG that's still on the first page of the LSP forum and a lot of folks chimed in with comments.
 
Thanks, did you try the PBA with WG or Natty's?? I guess my main question or request is how it works with other sealants. Also, can it work with a wax? Even though it says sealants only... it probably wouldn't work because of bonding? I'm just being curious where this product would fit in with my LSPs, rather than sticking with all DG products.
 
I'm interested in the same question...
I've heard that every sealant siloxane based is ok to be used with PBA, but I don't know what sealants are siloxane based...
Regards !!
 
When you say wax if you mean carnuba I see no reason to use PBA the wax will bond without it. When I put DG 105 on my truck I polished it with Meg. # 80. I talked to Jerry at DG before I did this detail and told him that I was going to use #80 did I need the PBA and he said no just put the 105 on and it would be fine. It has been over four months and the truck looks like the day that I put it on. I think PBA is for applying 105 over a wax or other similar products but if the surface is clean and free from wax then it is not needed.
Zaino tells you to wash with Dawn then clay then polish then wash with Z7 to be sure the surface has nothing on it so the Zaino will bond. Duragloss has just made the process a lot easier if you have a carnuba wax on the car and no scratches don't need to be polished then just apply PBA and then the 105.
I had Pinnacle Souveran on my vette and when I put 105 on it I used the PBA and put 105 over it and can't tell any difference between the vette or the truck. The claim that the PBA will make it look better didn't work for me.
I think it is just to make the 105 stick to other LSP and has nothing to do with enhancing the shine.
If I need to polish the surface before applying 105 I will either not use the PBA or apply it very thin because in my opinion and the people that make it agree that you don't need it.
With all that said their Will Be those that will say you need it under 105 regardless so you will need to try it both ways as I have and decide for your self if you need it under all conditions.
 
I had used WG on my Rav4 then F'd up and put on not one but two coats of Natty's, so when I did DG, I used WG pre-wax cleaner and the PBA to make sure the 105 bonded right. And yeah, I spread it on too thick!! Now, I'm just waiting for some free time to hit it with the AW. BTW, you can guess I'm not a carnuba guy.
 
What about using the #601 to "double the protection"?

Maybe they are saying that with a perfectly clean surface after you use the PBA that the sealant used will bond to the more effectively?

From the product descriptions I read it seemed as if I just use this product before a LSP and I'll get double the protection out of that LSP. Like if I used UPP and it lasted 4 months, if I used PBA before that I would get 8 months out of it.

From your replies here it seems like the PBA is more of a paint cleaner that'll remove wax and do nothing in terms of shine, protection, durability, etc. Is this assumption correct?? Thanks
 
budman3 From your replies here it seems like the PBA is more of a paint cleaner that'll remove wax and do nothing in terms of shine said:
Read what DG has to say about PBA [ It makes the 105 stick to any durable polish ] Most products have a system products that works best for their line. I think you would get your best results that way.
When they say polish they are talking about a LSP not a true polish
They call 105 polish just like Zaino calls his sealant a polish the terminology gets confusing sometimes.
You should not look at PBA as a shine enhancer but as a means of making a sealant stick to wax.
If you have a carnuba and want to make it shine beyond what it can do on its own top it with Aqua wax the gloss is awesome.
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601 says it works with poly amino functional sealants- it should work fine under EX or EXP and will probably aid looks and durability
 
atticdog said:
Has anyone used 601 before zaino instead of z1 or zfx
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I have not but recently read a post some where that detailed such a test. The test was not successful with Zaino.
Sorry, can't remember which forum the account came from.
 
atticdog said:
Has anyone used 601 before zaino instead of z1 or zfx
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I've tried it with both Z2Pro and Z5 (original formula), and it didn't seem to help nor hinder the overall durability.
 
I tried it as well. Z1/Z2pro was more durable than 601/Z2pro. Infact the 601/Z2pro didn't seem any more durable than Z2pro by itself.
 
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