Duragloss 105 = Klasse Sg

mongo

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Well it just hit me looking at the Nissan Murano pics on here that DG 105 "candies" like darkening and deepening the paint like Klasse SG did before the reformulation.



thoughts ideas



mongo
 
I never knew SG got reformulated...it was VOC compliant before...The AIO did...not SG as far as I was told...



The 105 has a little darkening effect to red for me....maybe slightly but not like other products.....also SG never darkened paint for me...both are sorta optically clear....



Al
 
So Mike are you using the 105 or the Zaino polishes know you are using the aquawax.

Concernig KSG I have used it before and it did darken the paint paint a bit "candy" if you will; but what I read here and elsewhere was that it had been reformulated to meet the VOC rules .

why doesn't Meg's 21 get any luv it seems to be a great product.





mongo
 
mongo said:
So Mike are you using the 105 or the Zaino polishes know you are using the aquawax.

mongo





I am using 105 only, with the AW. If I were using the Zaino polishes again, I'd still probably opt for the Aquawax.



I think 105 offers a greater level of depth and wetness than SG. SG gives a hard clear candy shine, but can darken certain colors.
 
I used 2 coats of AW over my Pin. Sourveran and it made the shine more reflective or shiny. Bright. But it lost in Depth and wetness which is what I am looking for!
 
TigerMike said:
.... I think 105 offers a greater level of depth and wetness than SG. SG gives a hard clear candy shine, but can darken certain colors.



I agree with this BIG time. There really is a big difference imo.
 
The 105 actually lightened my charcoal gray Dakota. Made it more silver gray vs black gray, the metallic pops out more now also.
 
RP-350Z said:
Does Aqua wax work on top of Zaino?



The "good" silicones in AW will disrupt the crosslinking of the Zaino structure. This will lead to early backdown of the Zaino and it's protection. This effect is not instantly noticeable but will reveal its ill-effects over time.

If you are re-applying your Zaino protection frequently and appearance is the main goal more so that extended protection durability, this is probably a nice combo to add extreme gloss.



All silicones are bad for Zaino structure intrigrity.
 
Respectfully, I completely disagree. AW will not disrupt Zaino's protection. If anything, it will *enhance* it quite a bit. AW will not break anything down. It's like saying Z8 would also destroy the Zaino...just not going to happen.



Unless AW has shown ill-effects over time on "your" Zaino, how do you know with certainty it will happen? Acid rain and everyday contaminants will have more of an adverse affect on Zaino than AW ever will, believe me.



Without trying to open up another can of worms, how do you know Zaino does not use a form of silicone polymer?
 
TigerMike said:
Respectfully, I completely disagree. AW will not disrupt Zaino's protection. If anything, it will *enhance* it quite a bit. AW will not break anything down. It's like saying Z8 would also destroy the Zaino...just not going to happen.



Without trying to open up another can of worms, how do you know Zaino does not use a form of silicone polymer?



Respectfully also and not to get into an augument, but silicones good (expensive) or bad (inexpensive) will disrupt Zaino sealant internal matrix. This statement is based on manufacturer's data.. I can not go further into why.





Any further info must come from Sal and I strongly recommend calling or e-mailing him about the compatibility of silicones and Zaino if you are depending on the durability featured by his product(s).
 
No need to call Sal...I've heard nearly all of his party/marketing lines over and over for quite a while. I know exactly what he'd say. In fact, I've been in your position before. I've received all the free product, done his beta testing, got all the "inside" information. There just comes a time when you realize the realities in front of you and think for yourself, instead of buying into every word and marketing line that Sal tells you. I've been there before too, believe me. I know it's tough to do though, because you'd lose those "inside" privileges with Sal.



Not saying Zaino isn't great (used it for years with nary a bad result), or that Sal isn't a good guy, but you have to look past all that and see what's what, and make judgements for yourself, not just spitting what Sal tells you and accepting it as bible fact. Sal is a great guy, but he has marketing spins like nearly every other product line out there.
 
Bottomline without all the unfounded rhetoric is that silicone at no point is good for the Zaino system. Prior to application, during application or after application.



Common sense states that if Zaino is compatible with silicone would this not negate some of the hassle of cleaning the surface prior to application and placing such restriction on what can be used after application?



If you have more than your empirical results and unfounded insults that state otherwise please present it.



The recommendation to contact Sal (Lord knows he wants to answer to another round of mis-information) was for those that use Zaino. Mike, you have alright found all the answers and feel fit to advice others. :(
 
blkZ28Conv said:
If you have more than your empirical results and unfounded insults that state otherwise please present it.



I asked the same thing. Where is the evidence that AW will cause ill effects over time on Z, as you stated?



And again, how do you *know* Z is not a form of silicone polymer?
 
TigerMike said:
I asked the same thing. Where is the evidence that AW will cause ill effects over time on Z, as you stated?



And again, how do you *know* Z is not a form of silicone polymer?



Come on Mike with the BS. Next thing you will be asking exactly what Z is made of. :nixweiss



Last response to this discussion. :argue



If you use Zaino be careful of your source of infomation.



On a lighter side.

Hey tigerMike aka MikeLS :secret , do you ever see your old Camaro?
 
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