Does Meg's New MF system effectively replace our current AIO 's?

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Alexshimshimhae

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I read somewhere that 'polish/wax' step in the MF system is for intents and purposes, an AIO, and from what I can tell...the protection seems to hold for at least a month or two?



So I've been thinking..would this system end up replacing aio's in our arsenals?

The reason I'm asking is because I've been debating on whether or not to pull the trigger on a 1000ml thing of KAIO....



Any insight into the system would be great as I guess I'm trying to find a little more specific info about it than the postings about it thus far if possible.(and when I finally do get it in, I will try to do a write up on it along with I'm sure at least half a dozen others.)
 
AeroCleanse said:
I gave up on Meguiars polishes after being disappointed to many times. The only one I use, which isn't often is D151
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really? I mean sure 205's oils tend to be....tenacious lol but I've had such success with them. I'm actually almost done with my 105/205 twins--I plan on testing out this new system before I make a decision on which way I want to go in terms of products...hopefully it wont have been a waste of 100 bux.



I think the problem I'm having now, is it APPEARS as though this new MF system may not be so much as a game changer as it is a gap filler? but I couldn't say for sure until I try it myself I suppose... but the D301 which is the finishing wax seems to have the properties of an aio....so now I'm thinking...maybe it may work in my favor?



I was thinking on my train ride home too--that in a way, though i think the pads were more expensive, in the long run this MIGHT be economical in that you don't need like 3+ different types of pads and product combos.... which cuts down costs of having to stock up multiples of different pads...but otoh, that's assuming that this is good for 99% of the cases, in which the handful of H2O pads and ccs pads should suffice for those odd moments?
 
AeroCleanse said:
Didn't cut well, dusted like crazy, short work time. Replaced it with System 51, then GTechniq P1.
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Rotary or D/A?



With a rotary it cuts so quick that you just want to work it in 30-45 second cycles, If it did not cut everything out apply it to paint, pick it up with your pad and cut again.



D/A you need to prime the entire face of the foam pad. Slow motion and pressure. Clean pad often and all that good stuff that KB taught us.
 
I can't imagine someone thinking that M105 didn't cut well...just hard for me to believe.



I guess there are just too many factors on the "process" side of things that it would be almost impossible to tell why you had bad results. As long as you found something that works for you, no big deal....



About the AIO question. IMO, the new Meguiars system is just another tool that should be in your arsenal. There are times that we use M105/FLEX/orange to remove defects, then use M301 with a foam finishing pad to clean up the mild haze--boom we are done. Even with M105/M205 combo that we use to use we would still have to apply LSP--the 301 combines the last two steps.



I am still having problems with the MF pads finishing on soft paint (mainly curves) no matter how slow I go, or how long/short the buffing cycle. I am still fine tuning technique at this point.....
 
gmblack3a said:
Rotary or D/A?



With a rotary it cuts so quick that you just want to work it in 30-45 second cycles, If it did not cut everything out apply it to paint, pick it up with your pad and cut again.



D/A you need to prime the entire face of the foam pad. Slow motion and pressure. Clean pad often and all that good stuff that KB taught us.
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Rotary. The M105 I have is before the reformulated it for DA use.
 
I'm still contemplating if i want to buy KAIO if the meg's D301 Finishing step is essentially the same thing--sigh =[ wanted to make up my mind before the DI sales are up because I don't want to make another order and pay the extra shipping =[
 
Alexshimshimhae said:
I'm still contemplating if i want to buy KAIO if the meg's D301 Finishing step is essentially the same thing--sigh ...[
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Not the same thing at all IMO, the KAIO is functionally nonabrasive 99.999% of the time and doesn't last long at all by itself (as in, don't bother trying that). The KAIO won't be a replacement/substitute for the D301 but it's still good stuff to have on hand. If nothing else, it's a good paint cleaner that doesn't stain trim.
 
yea I was thinking that like everything else--it was going to end up being one of those things htat the D301 and the KAIO would have different uses--but figured i'll save some money and first test out to see about inspectin the D301 better first before i buy more stuff... lol =] although i did buy a couple things since DI has a fee $10 fine clay if you buy 30 or 50 bux worth of stuff =] so pretty much for the cost of shipping i got clay =]
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I can't imagine someone thinking that M105 didn't cut well...just hard for me to believe.



I guess there are just too many factors on the "process" side of things that it would be almost impossible to tell why you had bad results. As long as you found something that works for you, no big deal....



About the AIO question. IMO, the new Meguiars system is just another tool that should be in your arsenal. There are times that we use M105/FLEX/orange to remove defects, then use M301 with a foam finishing pad to clean up the mild haze--boom we are done. Even with M105/M205 combo that we use to use we would still have to apply LSP--the 301 combines the last two steps.



I am still having problems with the MF pads finishing on soft paint (mainly curves) no matter how slow I go, or how long/short the buffing cycle. I am still fine tuning technique at this point.....
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Agreed 100%





How much product are you using on your pads? How often you cleaning them?
 
gmblack3a said:
Rotary or D/A?



With a rotary it cuts so quick that you just want to work it in 30-45 second cycles, If it did not cut everything out apply it to paint, pick it up with your pad and cut again.



D/A you need to prime the entire face of the foam pad. Slow motion and pressure. Clean pad often and all that good stuff that KB taught us.
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Agreed. The old formula was even faster/better cutting, but the new one still works great!
 
I recently tried the 5" MF DA cutting pads and the D300 with my PC and it is one of the better/best products I have used. It has less cutting ability the M105 but it is much easier to use doesn't dry out, no aggravating splatter cleaning due to misting, no need to tape off and is very easy to wipe off. The finish IMHO is almost LSP ready.



D301, I believe, has fine SMAT abrasives and a wax in it to make "the system" a two step process.



I personally have not used the DA finishing discs and D301. What I have done is follow the MF cutting disc/D300 with Menz 106 if needed, then Menz PO85RD. This way I can use use a sealant or wax of my choice.



It is recommended to use compressed air to clean the MF pad after each section pass. I don't have an air compressor so I wound up using a dry "Bug Sponge" and the on-the-fly method to clean the MF pads. It does a great job.



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I am very happy with the results I was able to obtain with the DA MF cutting discs and D300!
 
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