Do glazes decrease wax durability?

[dfoxengr]

I was wondering if glazes under a wax like Collinite 845 would decrease the adhesion or durability in some way? Or would the glaze still be looking good as long as the wax is there.

 

[Scottwax]

I used the Red Machine Glaze/Carnauba Moose Wax combo a lot on solid colors, didn't notice any difference in durability on those cars vs cars I didn't use RMG.

 

[dfoxengr]

I figure it would probably hurt the performance of sealants but something like a quality wax I wouldn't imagine as long as you do a good wipe off of the glaze. I'll give it a try next time and see.

 

[Accumulator]

I'm sure there are cases where it *will* decrease the longevity. Look at how some people claim that not claying will do the same thing.



BUT...I can't really think of one single time that having an underlying application of glaze, or having not clayed, made any difference.



But that's with waxes.



Noting that many "waxes" are sooo synthetic as to be basically "sealants" (and noting all those scare-quotes when I use those terms :chuckle: )...I've had sealants refuse to bond to certain underlying products. In those cases the sealants basically wiped right off, or left a smeary mess. When I let such situations sit for a few days, the product did buff off pretty cleanly, and things seemed basically OK, but the sealant didn't last very long.



So IME glazes and waxes generally work OK together. But with sealants you have to be more careful. Not like you *can't* use some underlying product with sealants, just gotta choose the right one. Consider that may product lines (BlackFire and Autoglym come to mind) have systems where a "glaze-like product" is used before the sealant, and those systems work OK.

 

[shortspark]

I have a new Mercedes Benz in Diamond White, a beautiful color that cost around $1600 extra. Expensive paint but well worth it. Because I had a lot of luck on a light silver truck using the Klasse AIO and their Sealant Glaze, I decided to try another glaze, PoorBoys White Diamond Glaze because I heard it was great for white cars. Because I use Duragloss products, specifically 601/111 as my sealant I was concerned about the compatibility of the White Diamond Glaze. I contacted Jerry at Duragloss and asked for his opinion. Basically, he said a glaze would probably not be needed on a brand new Mercedes to begin with. There would probably not be enough imperfections to even fool with a glaze. And because a glaze goes on first he had concerns that the 601 bonding agent might not bond properly to it.



Even though Jerry had concerns, I know I could have experimented and no harm other than extra elbow grease would come of it. In any event I decided to just give the PoorBoys glaze to a friend who had an older, silver car. In a way I wish I had kept it just to see what would have happened.

 

[imported_PiPUK]

Keep in mind that the ingredients in the glaze are frequently incorporated into both waxes and sealants (traditional type).

 

[Brad B]

I agree with the above responses. Keep in mind that waxes are generally low durability anyway. So adding another low durability product underneath it is pretty much a wash.



It's kind of like your girlfriends make up. Who cares if it only lasts a day. If layering provides the best outcome by all means do it!