Do 1Z produects have fillers?

I'm no 1Z expert, but I'm sure that the polishes also have abrasives to physically remove the swirls. I'm also sure they have some fillers because they have wax in them. Wax is a pretty decent filler. :)



The physical swirl removal via abrasives can't be undone by another product, it can only be undone by adding more swirls to the paint. :)



I imagine Mike will give you a better reply about the 1Z polishes specifically and which may be better suited to what you are trying to do.
 
Aurora40 said:
I'm no 1Z expert, but I'm sure that the polishes also have abrasives to physically remove the swirls. I'm also sure they have some fillers because they have wax in them. Wax is a pretty decent filler. :)



The physical swirl removal via abrasives can't be undone by another product, it can only be undone by adding more swirls to the paint. :)



I imagine Mike will give you a better reply about the 1Z polishes specifically and which may be better suited to what you are trying to do.
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Thanks for answering the question and for the schooling:xyxthumbs
 
Aurora40 said:
I'm no 1Z expert, but I'm sure that the polishes also have abrasives to physically remove the swirls. I'm also sure they have some fillers because they have wax in them. Wax is a pretty decent filler. :)



The physical swirl removal via abrasives can't be undone by another product, it can only be undone by adding more swirls to the paint. :)



I imagine Mike will give you a better reply about the 1Z polishes specifically and which may be better suited to what you are trying to do.
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This is correct. Two ingredients in all of our polishes (except the body shop silicone-free articles) are silicone oils and carnauba which not only add depth and gloss but they fill in any remaining swirls/light scratches.



Abrasives physically smooth out the edges of a scratch to make them less noticeable or go as far as smoothing them out completely (depends on the depth of the scratch, the type of polish you are using and method of application). Using a rotary will add the heat to the equation in smoothing out the scratches.



Regards,
 
Mike @Einszett said:
This is correct. Two ingredients in all of our polishes (except the body shop silicone-free articles) are silicone oils and carnauba which not only add depth and gloss but they fill in any remaining swirls/light scratches.



Abrasives physically smooth out the edges of a scratch to make them less noticeable or go as far as smoothing them out completely (depends on the depth of the scratch, the type of polish you are using and method of application). Using a rotary will add the heat to the equation in smoothing out the scratches.



Regards,
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Thanks Mike.



So, AIO will remove some of the UPP, PP, or MP that hides swirls and scratches?
 
Yes, the chemical cleaner in AIO will remove some filler, but AIO also has filler, so you are back where you started. A simple wipe on-wipe off application for AIO will not remove all that is left behind by the 1Z. For best results, use a machine to agitate and apply the AIO.
 
Nick@DParadise said:
Yes, the chemical cleaner in AIO will remove some filler, but AIO also has filler, so you are back where you started. A simple wipe on-wipe off application for AIO will not remove all that is left behind by the 1Z. For best results, use a machine to agitate and apply the AIO.
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Thanks Nick :bow



Suppose I was going to top off a car with NXT or S100 (Topper), would you suggest:



1) AIO+1Zproduct+Topper or

2) 1Zproduct+AIO+Topper



I am thinking #2 because of AIO's ability to also protect.



edit: #2 also give you the option of applying SG.
 
I would go with #2. I believe NXT is a synthetic and mildly abrasive. I'm not sure, though. If that is the case, there isn't much benefit to applying it over AIO. If you work it enough you will remove the AIO, making it a wasted step. If you don't work it in, I doubt you will get much of a bond applying a synthetic over AIO. For a topper, I would stick with S100.
 
Just a thought, but why not the 1Z polish (whichever you decide to use), and then some kind of carnauba topper? The 1Z is already laying down some carnauba. Why not use something like Glanz Wax or Meguiar's #16 (or S100) to get some looks and durability. IMO, AIO really isn't an incredible protector on its own. And if you want to lay down an acrylic base, maybe 1Z prep products (at least the ones with wax in them) aren't the best way to go. Is there a reason for the given choices? I.e. do you already have them all? I assume you need the polishing action of the 1Z prep, otherwise, AIO followed by NXT might come out pretty nicely. :)
 
Aurora40 said:
Just a thought, but why not the 1Z polish (whichever you decide to use), and then some kind of carnauba topper? The 1Z is already laying down some carnauba. Why not use something like Glanz Wax or Meguiar's #16 (or S100) to get some looks and durability. IMO, AIO really isn't an incredible protector on its own. And if you want to lay down an acrylic base, maybe 1Z prep products (at least the ones with wax in them) aren't the best way to go. Is there a reason for the given choices? I.e. do you already have them all? I assume you need the polishing action of the 1Z prep, otherwise, AIO followed by NXT might come out pretty nicely. :)
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Good question. In short, I like the thought of having both a mechanical and chemical cleaner at work before i use LSP.



I got in drilled into my head that preparation is the most important step, so....



I also tend to spend a lot of time claying.
 
Hmmm....



Our polishes clean (via chemicals) and smooth out scratches (via abrasives). Aren't you just doing too much work and spending more than you need to?



I can't stress enough how great results can be from just a couple of products.
 
Mike @Einszett said:
Hmmm....



Our polishes clean (via chemicals) and smooth out scratches (via abrasives). Aren't you just doing too much work and spending more than you need to?



I can't stress enough how great results can be from just a couple of products.
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Well maybe I have been working too hard!



My impression was that your PP product for example was more of a mechanical/abrasive cleaner and that it had some polishing characteristics (making things shiney) but did not realize it had chemical cleaning properties like AIO.



So do you think it is fair to say the following when comparing AIO+SG and PP+GW (my assestment based partially on what has been written):



that PP will prepare a surface better because it has both mechnical and chemical cleaning properties, whereas AIO only has chemical cleaning propeties?



That SG protection may last a little longer than GW but GW will give a finish a wetter look?
 
In my opinion, chemical cleaners are more for oxidation and staining and such. They don't tend to do much for swirls and micro-marring. Though, I imagine even mainly chemical cleaners still have some abrasive to help the chemicals work.



More abrasive cleaners will still usually do well on oxidation and staining, but will also address swirling and micro-marring.



Are you trying to remove swirls with your prep? It sounds like it since you initially asked about fillers. If so, you probably won't get any cleaning benefit from a chemical cleaner like AIO after using a 1Z polish. Obviously AIO also puts down some acrylic, but I think you see what I mean.



As far as AIO + SG vs PP + GW, I have no idea. I have found that SG has a decent ability to mask/hide swirling. It tends to look more polished/smooth than super shiny. I haven't seen the Glanz outside on the Regal yet (and only used it one time) but it seems to be really shiny and looked very nice (SG looks very nice too). Glanz was a cinch to apply and remove, though the smell is punchier than even Klasse. :)
 
Aurora40 said:
In my opinion, chemical cleaners are more for oxidation and staining and such. They don't tend to do much for swirls and micro-marring. Though, I imagine even mainly chemical cleaners still have some abrasive to help the chemicals work.



More abrasive cleaners will still usually do well on oxidation and staining, but will also address swirling and micro-marring.



Are you trying to remove swirls with your prep? It sounds like it since you initially asked about fillers. If so, you probably won't get any cleaning benefit from a chemical cleaner like AIO after using a 1Z polish. Obviously AIO also puts down some acrylic, but I think you see what I mean.



As far as AIO + SG vs PP + GW, I have no idea. I have found that SG has a decent ability to mask/hide swirling. It tends to look more polished/smooth than super shiny. I haven't seen the Glanz outside on the Regal yet (and only used it one time) but it seems to be really shiny and looked very nice (SG looks very nice too). Glanz was a cinch to apply and remove, though the smell is punchier than even Klasse. :)
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OK, I am out of my league, so let me tell you what I think I know...



In dealing with paint, I think we are dealing with:



1) environmental pollution/dirt, stuff that your regular car wash does not get out and you really can't see it. For that, one would use a chemical type cleaner like AIO or maybe even GEPC



2) Micro-marring/swirls/light scratches. For those cases one would use a mechanical/abrasive cleaner like PP or #82. If it was really bad, one might use UPP or #83.



So, to detail a car, to give it a complete prep (clay is not part of this discussion but, I recognize that it is used for embedded particles) one would want to prep it chemically and mechanically so that the topper will highlight and enhance the paint that lies below.



So, if a car does not have micro-marring/swirls/light scratches (2), then I would not want to use an abrassive product in order to keep as much of my clear coat as possible. I would then use a chemical cleaner to clean that dirt that can't be washed off, can't be seen but, is taking away from the shine.



If the car does have micro-marring/swirls/light scratches then I do need those abrassive products. If I understood Mike correctly, he was saying that I could save a step of not using a chemical cleaner because 1Z products have them in addition to the abrassive products.



I hope this is clear. Does what I am saying make sense or did I miss the mark somewhere?



Thanks Aurora for your consideration.
 
Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Chemical cleaners also tend to be easier to use by hand. I guess because they don't have to be worked in/broken down really like abrasives do.



You are right about prep being important, but there's no need to do more prep than your paint needs. I'm sure there are cases where a chemical cleaner and an abrasive in two steps could be useful. Maybe the chemical one to more easily remove very heavy oxidation, and some abrasives to remove any remaining swirls, I dunno. But I'd bet your paint is in pretty decent shape, so you only need to do as much prep as the paint requires. If you want to do subsequent steps, some glazes or something might be worth trying. They will add gloss and depth (temporarily) without really doing anything to the paint. Then you seal them in with whatever wax you want to use. Plus, glazes should be compatible with the carnauba the 1Z leaves behind.
 
Thanks for hanging with me Aurora.



My conclusions:



Good paint with no or little micro-marring/swirls/scrathces (abrassives are not needed): Use AIO+SG because you won't remove any of the clear coat, covers up small swirls etc. and get some good looking long lasting protection.



Paint that has some more serious micro-marring/swirls/scratches: consider using 1Z products because they contain both chemical and abrassive cleaners and some waxes/oils or Megs #82+NXT but, there is a question of whether #82 contains any chemical cleaners.



This is all theoretical...kind of like "bench racing". I think it is good to have a point of view test it.
 
Malachi,



My car's finish is in perfect condition (except for the few rock chips and scratches on the hood and above the windscreen) and I use 1Z Metallic Polish + Glanz Wax and the gloss is amazing! If you want a cleaner/polish with light abrasiveness try the Metallic, it will remove any light marring and swirls you might have. I don't have much experience with Klasse yet, but from what I have done, it doesn't seem to do anything on marring or swirls but it does clean up the surface really good. Just another option for you if you feel your paint doesn't need a very abrasive polish but you still have a few areas that are marred or swirled that need a little more bite than the AIO.



Good luck :)
 
Thanks Macgirl,



I understand that MP is really mild and folks seem to like GW but, I think I will stick with AIO+SG when the paint is in really good shape. I feel that AIO is a better cleaner and SG lasts longer than GW.



I own a can of MP but have yet to try it so who knows I may be changing my mind.
 
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