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I like the Poorboy's Polish w/ Sealant product. I like the fact that when I am using my PC to apply the sealant, I am getting a little bit of finishing polish with the effort.

I am also cheap. I have some Menzerna Full Molecular Jacket (FMJ) sealant lying around, along with some Menzerna PO83RD (my favorite finishing polish).

Could I mix some PO83RD in with the FMJ to make a poor man's Poorboy's, so to speak? I think the PO83RD is a good candidate for this experiment because it doesn't cut a whole lot. What would be a reasonable ratio? Off the top of my head, I would guess 2 parts FMJ to one part PO83RD, but I am open to suggestions. Thanks in advance!
 
I would not. AIO products are specifically formulated for a specific task in mind.

On the other hand you could mix some up and do test and let us know how it turns out...
 
chet31 said:
I like the Poorboy's Polish w/ Sealant product. I like the fact that when I am using my PC to apply the sealant, I am getting a little bit of finishing polish with the effort.

I am also cheap. I have some Menzerna Full Molecular Jacket (FMJ) sealant lying around, along with some Menzerna PO83RD (my favorite finishing polish).

Could I mix some PO83RD in with the FMJ to make a poor man's Poorboy's, so to speak? I think the PO83RD is a good candidate for this experiment because it doesn't cut a whole lot. What would be a reasonable ratio? Off the top of my head, I would guess 2 parts FMJ to one part PO83RD, but I am open to suggestions. Thanks in advance!
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Will it work? Probably to some degree, maybe. Your not going to 'hurt' anything by giving it a shot (your paint will not fall off).

Will it give you anywhere near the maximum benefit of either product? Mostly likely not even close.

All-In-One products are not as simple as adding abrasives to a wax. It is my understanding that things like buffers have to be added to keep the sub-micron sized polymers from prematuraly bonding to the abrasives. Also polishes contain solvents or oils which can throw off the ratio needed to properly level the solid components of a wax/sealant on the paints surface.

What will likely happen? You may find that you get very little cut from the abrasives as the slick polymers in FMJ stick to the abrasives and buffer them from cutting. And since the petroleum ratio is thrown off you will likely get cloudy patches and uneven finish. To make matters worse, the abrasives on the surface will act as little scrubbers and clean the barely bonded polymers from the paint as you wipe it off.

You most likely end up with a patching looking surface (streaks that look like buffer trails in pattern) will barely any cleaning power and very little durability.

Menzerna Acrylic Shield was a similar product, which used 106ff abrasives (which are finer that PO85rd's) and a combination of specifically chosen polymers (similar to the polymers found in FMJ). The chemist had to change the type of solvent to get the product to flash faster and added pH sensitive buffers to keep the products from mixing too much in the bottle and when subjected to the friction of application).

Also we may be very hard at work on a Blackfire All-In-One (maybe) and are looking at invovation ways of overcoming these inherent problems. That is, IF we to be working on such a top-secret project. :inspector:
 
Ahhhh FMJ, still my go to sealant, i think i 1 32oz left, is FMJ ever going to return or is it to be replaced with Wet Diamond?

Todd, was there any difference between Wet Diamond and FMJ other then the name and color?
 
TurboGLI said:
Ahhhh FMJ, still my go to sealant, i think i 1 32oz left, is FMJ ever going to return or is it to be replaced with Wet Diamond?

Todd, was there any difference between Wet Diamond and FMJ other then the name and color?
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FMJ was never replaced by Blackfire, both products were sold side-by-side for many years. IIRC, the first version of Blackfire Sealant (prior the Wet Diamond series) used a lot of the polymers from FMJ, although in different numbers, with different chemcials, etc. The second version of Blackfire used a cocktail of different types of polymers, including some acrylic based polymers, which formed Wet Diamond. Wet Diamond has been tweaked twice since then (since 2006, again, IIRC).

So while there is a small amount of ingredient that is similar, they are two completely different formulas. Wet Diamond remains one of more expensive sealants to manufacturer, yet is extremely affordable. (Much more so when you consider how little is actually needed to coat a car).

FMJ was a great looking sealant in its day, the current version of Wet Diamond looks deeper, lasts far longer, and creates the same extremely slick finish. In that regard it is an updated FMJ, but it is very different chemically.

Todd
 
I personally NEVER MIX polishes sealants and the like. The use of every polish sealant wax, compound ect. has an intended purpose. As the operator, I need to use the product as intended. The first paragraph of my site states: that chemicals will be applied as needed when needed. That means LEARNING what each chemical does and KNOWING WHEN to call on it and identifying where it should be applied. Just my take on things.
 
Here is what would happen

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Thank you for the responses. I may still give it a try, but my expectations have been sufficiently lowered.
 
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