Difference between pink soap and Wash 'n wax?
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Are you using with a Foam Gun/Cannon or just traditional? Are you just washing/doing maintenance or are you going to follow up with a wax after?
Wash N Wax has wax in it of course and Pink Car Soap does not. Pink Car Soap produces alot more suds as well, but Wash N Wax leaves more of a shine
Wash N Wax has wax in it of course and Pink Car Soap does not. Pink Car Soap produces alot more suds as well, but Wash N Wax leaves more of a shine
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
That's a question for Ben. I've only used W&W. Sending Ben a PM about this.
Ben@3D
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Hey Guys,
Both soaps come from the same base product, but the wash and wax has an added wax which helps protect the car between washes.
Both work good with a foam cannon. The Pink Car Soap is a bit more foamy.
Both soaps come from the same base product, but the wash and wax has an added wax which helps protect the car between washes.
Both work good with a foam cannon. The Pink Car Soap is a bit more foamy.
kestrel452
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
I hate to be the guy who revives a 5-year old thread, but....I was wondering about whether I should order 3D Pink or the Wash N Wax after reading this.
I called 3D earlier today to ask if they thought the wax in this shampoo would cause issues with subsequent layers of wax or sealant bonding/adhering to the car. I`d like to use this as a regular shampoo if i can reapply Collinite 845 over the "protection" it leaves and not have durability issues. She said straight away that there is actually no wax in the Wash N Wax, just gloss enhancers.
Very interesting, as the description on the website seems to contradict itself and what the 3D rep told me. At first it says "[FONT="]Wash N Wax™ is a rich, highly concentrated, thick car wash shampoo fortified with gloss enhancing polymers to give your car a beautiful looking shine.[/FONT]", but then "[FONT="]PH-neutral formula is excellent for maintaining the protection on your freshly waxed or sealed vehicle while adding an additional layer of wax protection on bare surfaces too.[/FONT][FONT="]".[/FONT]
Does Wash N Wax also contain wax, or just gloss enhancers?????
I hate to be the guy who revives a 5-year old thread, but....I was wondering about whether I should order 3D Pink or the Wash N Wax after reading this.
I called 3D earlier today to ask if they thought the wax in this shampoo would cause issues with subsequent layers of wax or sealant bonding/adhering to the car. I`d like to use this as a regular shampoo if i can reapply Collinite 845 over the "protection" it leaves and not have durability issues. She said straight away that there is actually no wax in the Wash N Wax, just gloss enhancers.
Very interesting, as the description on the website seems to contradict itself and what the 3D rep told me. At first it says "[FONT="]Wash N Wax™ is a rich, highly concentrated, thick car wash shampoo fortified with gloss enhancing polymers to give your car a beautiful looking shine.[/FONT]", but then "[FONT="]PH-neutral formula is excellent for maintaining the protection on your freshly waxed or sealed vehicle while adding an additional layer of wax protection on bare surfaces too.[/FONT][FONT="]".[/FONT]
Does Wash N Wax also contain wax, or just gloss enhancers?????
JustJesus
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
Not sure what is going on with 3D lately, with their contradictory info.
Pink is a good soap, though.
If you`re using Coli 845, that should be your base wax, and the Wash and Wax OVER it. Not the other way around. Whether or not the soap has wax in it, chances are the 845 is more durable.
Here`s a thought: Use the 845 as your LSP. Then, when washing, use something like Pink, and a spray wax as a drying agent.
Not sure what is going on with 3D lately, with their contradictory info.
Pink is a good soap, though.
If you`re using Coli 845, that should be your base wax, and the Wash and Wax OVER it. Not the other way around. Whether or not the soap has wax in it, chances are the 845 is more durable.
Here`s a thought: Use the 845 as your LSP. Then, when washing, use something like Pink, and a spray wax as a drying agent.
kestrel452
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
I wasn`t really intending for Wash N Wax to be used as a first "layer", just as a maintenance soap and to get some wax protecting in the crevices a buffer can`t go like between trim seams and wheel wells. My only real concern is if using shampoos that contain wax additives will cause adhesion issues with buffed on waxes like 845. I`m a noob and have no idea what I`m doing yet
I wasn`t really intending for Wash N Wax to be used as a first "layer", just as a maintenance soap and to get some wax protecting in the crevices a buffer can`t go like between trim seams and wheel wells. My only real concern is if using shampoos that contain wax additives will cause adhesion issues with buffed on waxes like 845. I`m a noob and have no idea what I`m doing yet
JustJesus
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
I see what you`re saying now.
From what I know, 845 is pretty stout. I wouldn`t think any harm will come from those soaps. So as long as they`re CAR wash soaps.
On one car that I maintain, it`s got FK1000p on it, and about once a month, I`ll rinseless wash it with ONRWW (Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax). The other times, I just use regular ONR. That`s just me, though.
I see what you`re saying now.
From what I know, 845 is pretty stout. I wouldn`t think any harm will come from those soaps. So as long as they`re CAR wash soaps.
On one car that I maintain, it`s got FK1000p on it, and about once a month, I`ll rinseless wash it with ONRWW (Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax). The other times, I just use regular ONR. That`s just me, though.
WaxAddict
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
Throwing around the word "wax" when they mean polymer or simply gloss enhancing ingredients like silicone is common. For example, look at your bottle of FK425... and I quote.. "Cleans and waxes...". Does 425 has carnauba, candelilla, montan, or beeswax in it?
Throwing around the word "wax" when they mean polymer or simply gloss enhancing ingredients like silicone is common. For example, look at your bottle of FK425... and I quote.. "Cleans and waxes...". Does 425 has carnauba, candelilla, montan, or beeswax in it?
kestrel452
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
That would be incredibly misleading on 3D`s part seeing as how the face of the bottle says "Car Soap with Liquid Wax" in bold print. I don`t see any wax compounds in the MSDS either, the only difference between it and Pink Soap is the addition of Glycerol. I guess you can`t even go with what`s on the label these days, lol.
So I am to assume that using 3D Wash N Wax to clean the car before applying a new coat of Collinite 845 will not cause any issues?
That would be incredibly misleading on 3D`s part seeing as how the face of the bottle says "Car Soap with Liquid Wax" in bold print. I don`t see any wax compounds in the MSDS either, the only difference between it and Pink Soap is the addition of Glycerol. I guess you can`t even go with what`s on the label these days, lol.
So I am to assume that using 3D Wash N Wax to clean the car before applying a new coat of Collinite 845 will not cause any issues?
JustJesus
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
I wouldn`t try it. I`d want to have the cleanest surface possible. That`s just me. Are you planning on any kind of decontamination? Chemical, clay, or both?
If you want, PM me your address and I`ll send you enough Pink Soap to wash it. That way you can buy the Wash and Wax, and not have to buy the Pink.
I wouldn`t try it. I`d want to have the cleanest surface possible. That`s just me. Are you planning on any kind of decontamination? Chemical, clay, or both?
If you want, PM me your address and I`ll send you enough Pink Soap to wash it. That way you can buy the Wash and Wax, and not have to buy the Pink.
Accumulator
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
Noting that I just don`t use washes that (claim/appear/etc. to) contain "wax", I`d be awfully surprised if whatever those washes leave behind actually interfered with the bonding of 845. Or most any other conventional LSP. Many (most?) LSPs bond fine over glazes/etc., so I`d simply expect them to be OK over Wash & Wax products.
People LSP over Rinseless Washes that leave stuff behind, and that works OK, at least it does for me, but I don`t use Rinseless products that are in the "Wash & Wax" category either; stuff like IUDJ leaves plenty behind all by itself and regular ONR leaves stuff behind too.
Now somebody go experiment and prove me wrong (or not
) so we know. Just pick a small (easy-to-fix) area and see if it works OK.
EDIT: Thinking about it, way back in the day I used washes that claimed to contain wax, sometimes you`d have to really shake `em up to make those blobs go away, and I never had any LSP-bonding issues.
Noting that I just don`t use washes that (claim/appear/etc. to) contain "wax", I`d be awfully surprised if whatever those washes leave behind actually interfered with the bonding of 845. Or most any other conventional LSP. Many (most?) LSPs bond fine over glazes/etc., so I`d simply expect them to be OK over Wash & Wax products.
People LSP over Rinseless Washes that leave stuff behind, and that works OK, at least it does for me, but I don`t use Rinseless products that are in the "Wash & Wax" category either; stuff like IUDJ leaves plenty behind all by itself and regular ONR leaves stuff behind too.
Now somebody go experiment and prove me wrong (or not
) so we know. Just pick a small (easy-to-fix) area and see if it works OK.EDIT: Thinking about it, way back in the day I used washes that claimed to contain wax, sometimes you`d have to really shake `em up to make those blobs go away, and I never had any LSP-bonding issues.
Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
I have both pink and W&W. Typically I would use pink before applying any LSPs because of the "nothing left behind factor." However, I have on occasion applied LSPs after using w&w. I believe all of which have been carnauba so I`m not sure about 845 or any other sealant. Pink is just a better soap in my opinion. More suds, more lubricity, rinses better... I always use at least a QD after every wash anyways.
I have both pink and W&W. Typically I would use pink before applying any LSPs because of the "nothing left behind factor." However, I have on occasion applied LSPs after using w&w. I believe all of which have been carnauba so I`m not sure about 845 or any other sealant. Pink is just a better soap in my opinion. More suds, more lubricity, rinses better... I always use at least a QD after every wash anyways.
kestrel452
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
Accumulator, you said you used Griot`s soap as a mixing agent with 3D Pink. I think I`m going to try your 3D Pink + Griot`s soap mix. I am guessing you use the standard "Super Concentrated Car Wash" of theirs. Do you have any idea how well their Wash and Wax soap compares? I`d like some relatively easy way of getting wax into the crevices and spaces I can`t, mostly for anti-corrosion purposes.
Noting that I just don`t use washes that (claim/appear/etc. to) contain "wax", I`d be awfully surprised if whatever those washes leave behind actually interfered with the bonding of 845. Or most any other conventional LSP. Many (most?) LSPs bond fine over glazes/etc., so I`d simply expect them to be OK over Wash & Wax products.
People LSP over Rinseless Washes that leave stuff behind, and that works OK, at least it does for me, but I don`t use Rinseless products that are in the "Wash & Wax" category either; stuff like IUDJ leaves plenty behind all by itself and regular ONR leaves stuff behind too.
Now somebody go experiment and prove me wrong (or not
EDIT: Thinking about it, way back in the day I used washes that claimed to contain wax, sometimes you`d have to really shake `em up to make those blobs go away, and I never had any LSP-bonding issues.
Accumulator, you said you used Griot`s soap as a mixing agent with 3D Pink. I think I`m going to try your 3D Pink + Griot`s soap mix. I am guessing you use the standard "Super Concentrated Car Wash" of theirs. Do you have any idea how well their Wash and Wax soap compares? I`d like some relatively easy way of getting wax into the crevices and spaces I can`t, mostly for anti-corrosion purposes.
Accumulator
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Re: Difference between pink soap and Wash `n wax?
Sorry, can`t help with their Wash & Wax soap, never used it (and don`t plan to ). I haven`t reordered since they started calling their "regular" (?) one "Super Concentrated", but I`d *GUESS* it`s what I use. Somebody oughta ask GG whether it`s still the same concentration.
IMO the "getting wax into the crevices for anti-corrosion purposes" is wishful thinking that might impart a false sense of security. I cannot *imagine* it working in a functional way, though I am a huge fan of finding ways to clean those types of areas. (my `93 Audi has inaccessible/basically unfixable areas where that`s an ongoing issue and even spraying good Spray Waxes into those areas does nothing to help.) I just keep those areas clean as best I can and cross my fingers that the vehicle`s build quality is good enough for it to not rust out.
Accumulator, you said you used Griot`s soap as a mixing agent with 3D Pink. I think I`m going to try your 3D Pink + Griot`s soap mix. I am guessing you use the standard "Super Concentrated Car Wash" of theirs. Do you have any idea how well their Wash and Wax soap compares? I`d like some relatively easy way of getting wax into the crevices and spaces I can`t, mostly for anti-corrosion purposes.
Sorry, can`t help with their Wash & Wax soap, never used it (and don`t plan to
). I haven`t reordered since they started calling their "regular" (?) one "Super Concentrated", but I`d *GUESS* it`s what I use. Somebody oughta ask GG whether it`s still the same concentration.IMO the "getting wax into the crevices for anti-corrosion purposes" is wishful thinking that might impart a false sense of security. I cannot *imagine* it working in a functional way, though I am a huge fan of finding ways to clean those types of areas. (my `93 Audi has inaccessible/basically unfixable areas where that`s an ongoing issue and even spraying good Spray Waxes into those areas does nothing to help.) I just keep those areas clean as best I can and cross my fingers that the vehicle`s build quality is good enough for it to not rust out.