difference between paste wax and liquid wax??

tsx2004

WaffleWeed
hi all,

im barely new to the forum and i just want to say wassup to all first. now i have a 2004 acura tsx, color is premium pearl white. for carnuva wax im using meguiars liquid wax(deep crytal system). my friend told about paste wax and he says that paste wax is carnuva wax also.

well i wanted to know which carnuva wax type is better, paste or liquid? i dont know much about cars or detailing products but im learning and im really happy absorbing so much information. please provide inputs and let me know which one is better. also recommend me a brand, what about s100?

thanks,

tsx2004
 
I think the general concensus here is that they both offer equal protection, although the fact that paste is much more solid makes it seems more durable. It might also be a factor with ease of application, since liquids allow you to judge the amount that goes on the applicator pad.
 
Historically, liquid waxes have been considered easier to apply. Paste wax tended to be harder to buff off than liquids - speaking in broad generalizations of course. And as truzoom also pointed out, for a wax - pastes are considered to be more durable. However, the most durable products are generally liquid sealants instead of waxes.

I think S100 is a great paste wax. It is one of the easiest to use wax products you're going to find - paste or liquid. It's literally a wipe on, wipe off product. It's got a great look. It's non-staining on trim and stuff. I have no idea how long it lasts - nothing lasts more than 4 weeks on my cars before I get the itch to do something else. :D
 
When I first started to detail vehicle (’50s) :rockin paste wax was about the only thing available (Simonize if memory serves) it was so hard to remove by hand that you didn’t need a gym to work-out in. With the availability of rotary polishers it was found that by adding solvent to a paste wax it could be applied to the pad much easier than spreading a paste wax on a pad with a knife. The drawback then was the solvents used (they where not very refined (distilled) and long term use (then single stage paint systems) would remove more paint than you’d like. Progress-clear coat paint, better distillation for solvents- and the major one (for me anyway) :wait Polymer Resin (Car-Lack, or Klasse as it was called in US)

OK I taking the next exit off of memory lane.
JonM
 
First of all (not to be rude), it is CARNAUBA (pronounced: car-now-bah). It is a little miracle that we use tons of it, however, one Carnauba palm produces 150-180 grams of wax in a whole year! A car care product contains various percentage of purified, filtered carnauba. It is around 15-20% with liquid waxes, and 30-33% with rich pastes.

As for protection, durability and application, I am with them: :yeah

Good learning! :D
 
Bence said:
First of all (not to be rude), it is CARNAUBA (pronounced: car-now-bah). It is a little miracle that we use tons of it, however, one Carnauba palm produces 150-180 grams of wax in a whole year! A car care product contains various percentage of purified, filtered carnauba. It is around 15-20% with liquid waxes, and 30-33% with rich pastes.

As for protection, durability and application, I am with them: :yeah

Man that's harsh...:huh carnuva vs carnauba and for what its worth the phonetic spelling of Carnauba is (kar-nu-ba)and as for protection/durability its pales in comparison to a polymer.

I have a question, "What is purified, filtered Carnauba?" :beer

JonM
 
togwt said:
Man that's harsh...:huh
This I agree with.

togwt said:
for what its worth the phonetic spelling of Carnauba is (kar-nu-ba)
This I'm not too sure I do. Most U.S. dictionaries show a pronunciation key that would give you an "aw" sound after the n. ie: carnawba.

Also notice I didn't say anything about proper English.:) I'm well aware that what we use in the U.S. is pretty marginal English.:)

Charles
 
togwt & Charles,

I didn't expect this kind of reaction, especially from you. Dare to open a dictionary or encyclopaedia thick enough to show you the correct pronunciation...

What do you think, why'd I use positive smileys, and such words as "not to be rude", when I had the intention to be harsh to someone? TSX is a newbie, that's why I included them, correcting a really stupid spelling mistake. When we all started to learn to read, a teacher was there to correct us. I don't really mind the majority of the spelling mistakes (or 'typo errors' - of course; countless times...), because the info is there. But I want to be educative, and this is simply a part of it.

Jon J.A.D.A. (togwt), that would be great if you would accept your own sentence in your own signature. And secondly, regarding your other question:

The wax is collected during the dry season by cutting off 6-8 leaves from the Copernicus or Carnauba (Wax) palm every 2 months. The waxy scales loosened as the leaves shrink are then either knocked, stripped or brushed off, or the wax is removed mechanically. The wax is purified in boiling water and then filtered. It is going through a refining process that includes filtering, distillation, centrifugation and bleaching. Once it has set, it is broken up into pieces. Coloring depends on the effort that goes into purification. In its molten state, it gives off a characteristic pungent, but not unpleasant smell. It has a high hardening capacity (the highest found in any type of wax, including synthetic products) and it is extremely difficult to saponify (development of wax alcohol and hydrocarbon emulsions prevent the formation of soap!).
A single carnauba palm only produces 150-180 g of wax per annum, equivalent to a yield of 5 g wax per 100 g leaf material. The 1st grade is collected from the young leaves while the 2nd and the 3rd grades are from the normal leaves.
Carnauba wax that has undergone further processing (refining, brightening with bleaching earth or partial saponification, addition of synthetic waxes, subsequent acidification) is used as bleached carnauba wax, for different purposes (pharma, cosmetics, etc.).
TOA KASEI has developed and established the technology of "Stabilization of Carnauba Wax" against heat by specific technical know-how of elimination of unnecessary or labile ingredients. The above respective "Refined Carnauba Wax" is now produced in their plant in Osaka.

Finally, one thought for us all: It is a blind forum, where nobody can see expressive eyes or mimic. Therefore we all should focus better on the original intent of a post/-er. Beyond letters, beyond words.

Sorry for being informative or educative...

And of course, long live the helluva carnuva! Hoo karez? :D
 
Bence said:
togwt & Charles,

I didn't expect this kind of reaction, especially from you.
You know what? You are absolutely right on my part of the thread.:( After reading all the posts, it does look like I did take it out of context.
My apologies for my comment.
Considering how long I have been around, I should know better than to think I know what the poster really meant. How what is written is interpreted can be way off base. Looks like I was.:)

Charles
 
So, to avoid plundering the environment perhaps we should go straight to the source and just rub those leaves atop the paint?
 
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