DG 105 has the most cleaning agent

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Stryder

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I know some members on this board claims that the #105 has more cleaners than #101, but I emailed DG to find out for myself.



"Hello,

I`ve been using the #101 as an AIO and #105 as the LSP. I`ve read on a detailing forum that the #105 also has cleaners, making it an AIO also. My question is, which product has more cleaning abilities? And should I be using the #111 as the LSP instead? Thanks!



Sam"



"Dear Sam,



Part# 105 has the most cleaning agent in it. If you need extra cleaning this product is great and is clear coat safe.



Thank you and God Bless,



Jerry, Technical Support"
 
This was posted a couple of weeks back by another member--



"Since talking to Bill at DG I've been doing the 105 which has the most cleaning ability followed by the 111 . I have a 2 coats on (per Bill ) off 111 on top the 105 , and I think it looks nicer than the 105 as a stand alone .



I think the 105 is more of an AIO stand alone .



I'm not sure about detergent resistance and durability claims from 105 compared to 111.



As I posted before Bill's info ( scale of 1-10 )

111 = pure sealant rated 1 on cleaning ability

101 = rated about 4-5 on cleaning ability

105 = rated about 9-10 on cleaning ability"



I'd be interested in comments from DG experts out there!!!
 
My question regarding them is how abraisive are they? I have heard a couple of people on this board say that they mix 1 ounce of 106FF with 3 ounces of 501 when they polish. When you use this mixture, do you apply the product to the entire car, then remove after it dries, or do you apply the mixture 1, 2'x2' section at a time, then remove before it dries?
 
So cleaners mean they'll strip off pre-existing wax right? What else do "cleaners" do? I've used tons of cleaner wax and my pads never get dirty unless I'm careless and wax around rubber trim...
 
I've been told differenlt by Bill (I think that's the other brothers name?)



weekendwarrior: DG "polishes" have no abrasives.. they are chemical cleaners. I have mixed menzerna polishes with 501 (3 parts Menz 1.5 parts DG) and had GREAT results



NSXTASY: From my personal experience, 501 has much stronger cleaning properties.. even after a full wash, clay & Menzerna polish job I have had the 501 suck a ton of blackness off the paint
 
MotorCity said:
I've been told differenlt by Bill (I think that's the other brothers name?)
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pwaug said:
As I posted before Bill's info ( scale of 1-10 )

111 = pure sealant rated 1 on cleaning ability

101 = rated about 4-5 on cleaning ability

105 = rated about 9-10 on cleaning ability"
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See this is what confuses me. I guess I'll just have to test and find out for myself. Maybe the best combo for me would be 501 and then 111.
 
I will stand by my experience and, once again, say that 101 exceeds 105's cleaning ability. I have a lot of experience with both products, and the DG line, and I can confidently state that 105 is extremely mild, whereas 101 is definitely like an AIO. If you are looking for 105 to be your "AIO cleaning product", you WILL BE disappointed! This is also proven to me by the fact that 105 will outlast 101 by at least a factor of 2-3x as long. Most true AIOs have poor durability, and I have found that 101 lasts about as long as KAIO, whereas 105 lasts as long as KSG or Z2/Z5. If 105 had as many cleaners as they state, it wouldn't last near as long! Someone is really confused I believe...



Don't take my word for it though, go grab some of both and prove it to yourself. First hand experience (IMO) is far more valuable in drawing conclusions...than arguing what somebody says or didn't say.
 
Yeah, I do have to say, #-015 has very little if any cleaners. #101, #111, #501 has allot of cleaners.



#105 to me, seems most similar to Z-5Pro. Zaino claims swirl removers, but it wont remove any swirls IMO. DG claims Cleaners in 105, but IMO, it just wont do it.
 
So, TigerMike, where do you fit the 111 in there? The 105 is the newest product, right? With the 101 and 111 being the original "companion" polishes in a KAIO/KSG sense?
 
111 is nothing but pure sealant without any cleaners of any sort. I would put 105 right after 111 (almost tied to be honest), although 105's relative cleaning ability seems about as much as 111 (that is to say virtually none). IMO, for a last step protectant, I view 111 and 105 as identical, only 105 has a newer, updated formula.
 
TigerMike said:
IMO, for a last step protectant, I view 111 and 105 as identical, only 105 has a newer, updated formula.
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What do you mean by "updated" formula? It seems like you're implying that 111 is obsolete, but from looking at the website and on my bottles for both products, the difference is clear: 105 has cleaners, 111 does not.



It seems to me that 111 and 105 have different functions, one's a pure sealant, one is for cleaning/polishing. When I got advice from Jerry, he said that since my paint is new (a couple of weeks old), no cleaning is necessary, just go with 601 and 111 which I did. This looks like it fits in with what others have been saying before, if you have oldish paint or you want to take off old wax etc, use 105 first to clean/polish, then use 111 as LSP.



This gives a dilemma then, because if one wants to use 601 to bond the LSP, AND use 105 cleaner to take off gunk/old wax, which one to put first? Seems like 105 first then 601 then 111 makes sense, but 105 will leave sealant on the paint, in which case 601 will not be bonding with the paint. But if you use 601 first, then 105 will take it off.



Hm, maybe 105 and 601 aren't meant to be used together.
 
See? This is why I can never understand DG. Sometimes it seems like Zaino is simpler. (or is it that nothing is as complicated as Zaino except DG? hmmm....)
 
How many companies dont have updated versions of their products. I dont think he's saying 111 is obsolete, just that 105 is newer to the market than 111. I know Optimum has updated their whole line except for Opti-seal which just came out earlier this year. Meguiars has updated products- recently M#21 and NXT wax Version 2.0.



Mike is very knowledgeable about Duragloss products. I'd listen to what he has to say.

Just my $.02 . If it gives you the results you like, stick with it!
 
Okay, So I read both the threads regarding the DG.



I own two bottles of 105, 111, and 101. What would be the best order of application?



Will one product remove another?



Thanks
 
lusid said:
Okay, So I read both the threads regarding the DG.



I own two bottles of 105, 111, and 101. What would be the best order of application?



Will one product remove another?



Thanks
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From my perpsective, depending on how much cleaning you want to do on your paint, it looks like 101 for light cleaning, or 105 for increased cleaning, then 111 as LSP. It might be a good experiment to try half of the car with 101 + 111, and 105 + 111...
 
I did a comparison side by side with #101 and #105. #101 seems to have much stronger in cleaning whereby very mild for #105. I used #105 as a LSP and is been great!
 
Perhaps I'll try an experiment. But that will be a spring / summer thing.



It's just way to cold to do any car care other than spray the salt off at the coin op.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
See? This is why I can never understand DG. Sometimes it seems like Zaino is simpler. (or is it that nothing is as complicated as Zaino except DG? hmmm....)
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I try not to make things complicated for myself. I simply apply a coat or two of 105 and mix in some AW every now and then. That's it and all I need for the paint, simple as pie. :)
 
Setec Astronomy said:
See? This is why I can never understand DG. Sometimes it seems like Zaino is simpler. (or is it that nothing is as complicated as Zaino except DG? hmmm....)
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:rofl :spit: Very funny post, yet extremely true...
 
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