Detail Plus Car Appearance Systems???

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imported_Jon P. Nusbaum

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I found this while browsing the web, looks VERRRY interesting.



Detail Plus Car Apperance Systems



I really like the Chemspense stations because they obviously supply the chemicals without cheap plastic spray bottles and I like them even more because they each have a wet/dry vac, heated extractor, and air supply lines for pneumatic buffers. The entire system looks very good to me. I am far from being a professional, but just wanted some opinions from you guys on how well a shop like this works.



Thanks, Bob S. :D
 
Some great systems there, but you would have to have a busy shop to justify purchasing certain items like the chemical dispenser. I wonder what their prices are like.
 
Bob S. said:
:D I went back and looked at his posts. (Buda) He only had 25, but in those 25 he sure made some people mad. ;)
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BUDA has his own little detailing forum on that site somewhere. i checked it out a few months ago and there's an abundance of bad info and Autopia bashing. i guess you could probably register for the forum over there and post some questions you may have regarding the system and i'm sure he'll give you a straight answer:rolleyes: i have no idea if it's a good setup or not, but i wouldn't ask him about it.
 
Bob S. said:
I found this while browsing the web, looks VERRRY interesting.



Detail Plus Car Apperance Systems



I really like the Chemspense stations because they obviously supply the chemicals without cheap plastic spray bottles and I like them even more because they each have a wet/dry vac, heated extractor, and air supply lines for pneumatic buffers. The entire system looks very good to me. I am far from being a professional, but just wanted some opinions from you guys on how well a shop like this works.



Thanks, Bob S. :D
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I have seen and spoken to a few people who have similar chemspense systems and they are all collecting dust in a corner. Simply put, they are a great idea but execute their purpose very poorly. My main concern would be what happens if one component breaks? You lose the whole system until it's fixed - not very efficient. As for Mr. Abraham, I deal with him on another forum and he is truly an enigma to me. I am positive he is a very intelligent person but he acts very strange sometimes indeed.
 
Bob S. said:
:D I went back and looked at his posts. (Buda) He only had 25, but in those 25 he sure made some people mad. ;)
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Bud tends to have that effect on people wherever he goes. It may have something to do with his constant sales pitch and condescending attititude.
 
sort of off topic:



I had noticed recently the claim that shine and durablity are at odds in the design of a wax/sealant. When reading through Buda's posts he made the same claim. Can anyone actually back this up? It sound bogus to me.



Those two things are just physical results of the chemicals used. I mean, they cannot possibly be at odds at a basic chemical level.



I can see this being true in a classic carnuba sense. Especially with completely natural ingredients. Such as the more carnuba, the more shine, but less durability. This claim just seems to be outdated now though. I believe now there are chemicals that are starting to break that direct relationship, and I don't see why that wouldn't be true.



But then there are of course sealants which have tons of both durability and shine. I can only assume the people that made the claim of inverse relationship are only referring to carnuba waxes??



just thought I would comment on that...sorry for being off topic!
 
That might be better off in a thread of its own. People with the answer to that question may not open this thread to find it. Best to start a new thread when veering OT that far. It will get your question answered quicker. :xyxthumbs
 
That appearance system would be good if you had a shop.



The thing about it is it allows you to have all your chemicals centrally located. You can stick the 55 gallon drums in the back rooms and suck directly out of them and feed it through lines to the detail bays. You do not have to worry about running back to the back room to fill up a bottle with stuff. There are other companies that sell systems like this though.



I like BUDA. The only problem I see with him is he is constantly trying to sell you stuff. He mails me stuff and calls me sometimes...
 
emobob said:
sort of off topic:



I had noticed recently the claim that shine and durablity are at odds in the design of a wax/sealant. When reading through Buda's posts he made the same claim. Can anyone actually back this up? It sound bogus to me.



Those two things are just physical results of the chemicals used. I mean, they cannot possibly be at odds at a basic chemical level.



I can see this being true in a classic carnuba sense. Especially with completely natural ingredients. Such as the more carnuba, the more shine, but less durability. This claim just seems to be outdated now though. I believe now there are chemicals that are starting to break that direct relationship, and I don't see why that wouldn't be true.



But then there are of course sealants which have tons of both durability and shine. I can only assume the people that made the claim of inverse relationship are only referring to carnuba waxes??



just thought I would comment on that...sorry for being off topic!
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Started thread asking that kind of question:

post it here
 
ShineShop said:
Bud tends to have that effect on people wherever he goes. It may have something to do with his constant sales pitch and condescending attititude.
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Heh heh. That's Bud alright. His columns in Carwashing and Detailing are okay, but in the forums he can be either your best friend or worst enemy, depending on his mood I guess. Most of the time he is okay though.



Like Intel said, the system would work better for a shop than a mobile detailer. Don't know enough about it to really comment though.
 
Scottwax said:
Like Intel said, the system would work better for a shop than a mobile detailer. Don't know enough about it to really comment though.
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I just had a great idea.



What if you had a truck, a big one like a snap-on tools truck, and had all the equipment mounted inside: water tanks, vaccum, all the 5 gallon cans of chemicals, etc. then on the side of your truck you had one of those covers that comes out like on an RV and you had all the dispensers on the side of the truck behind panels that open up. Would be like one of those chemstation things but on the side of a truck. I bet it would be as expensive as h311 though but it would be sweet!
 
Intel486 said:
I just had a great idea.



What if you had a truck, a big one like a snap-on tools truck, and had all the equipment mounted inside: water tanks, vaccum, all the 5 gallon cans of chemicals, etc. then on the side of your truck you had one of those covers that comes out like on an RV and you had all the dispensers on the side of the truck behind panels that open up. Would be like one of those chemstation things but on the side of a truck. I bet it would be as expensive as h311 though but it would be sweet!
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Sounds like a job for Monster Garage. They would also put some 20's on it and an airbag suspension, and machine gun port holes and some Iron crosses!! But it will cost under 3 large!!
 
Here is the reply I got from Mr. Abraham just in case aybody was curious. Also, what are other companies that offer similar systems?



"A complete 2 or 3 Bay Package would include:



a. CHEMSPENSE Work Stations (3 for 2 bay & 4 for a 3 bay)

b. Automatic chemical dilution and dispensing center

c. 15HP Air compressor

d. Pressure wash system

e. Wash bay chemical dispensers (wall mounted)

f. Detail work carts ( 3 or 4 depending on # of bays)

g. Safety step stools

h. Interior dryers

i. Ozone unit

j. Start up of operational supplies

k. Start up of chemicals

l. All manuals, videos and operational forms

m. On site management and technical training for

5 days

n. Air tool kit - buffers; shampooers; orbital waxers



The package price for a 2 Bay as above is: $49,415. For a 3 Bay it is $57,037. And I will provide you a discount of 20%.



In addition you have freight and installation and installation materials.



The CHEMSPENSE equipment only is $26,500 for a 2 bay and $32,995 for a 3 bay which includes the Central Chemical dispensing unit.



I have one brand new CHEMSPENSE Work Station that is an older style that I can sell you with a 10 tank chemical control unit complete for $2500. This would require an external vacuum that could be used as a vacuum and an extractor. We can supply or you can buy direct from a manufacturer.



Tell me a little about your detail operation if you are existing or if new, what you plan. Size of shop, number of bays, number of employees; volume of cars.



EXPRESS DETAILER



You may also be interested in the EXPRESS DETAILER which is a more portable unit that can be seen on our website www.detailplus.com It is a complete system, but dispenses only 4 chemicals but has 5 recessed areas on top for your compounds, polishes and waxes, instead of dispensing from the tanks. Your cost on this would be $4995.



Let me know what you need.



Regards

Bud Abraham

buda@detailplus.com"
 
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