Demise Of Carnauba Wax

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greetings to all detailers:



with the demise of carnauba wax, voc regulations and manufacturers not producing(meguiars #16 my favorite that i bought 2 cans) what would you reccomend we should hoard before its all gone? maybe in sequence from the hardest to find, down to the basics?...........................thanx for the replies!!!!!!
 
Some of the Collinite line of waxes is available at CarQuest and the entire line is available through many on-line sources, not the least of which is the manufacturer which is located nearby in Utica, NY.



ScottP at www.specialtymotoring.com (in Rochester) had some #16 a few weeks ago, you'd have to call & check availability.



Durability, shine, reasonable price ... it's everything you could ask for if you're looking for a replacement for #16.
 
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"The rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggeratedâ€Â� Oscar W. Wilde



IMO Carnauba wax is a long, long way from finished despite VOC regs...

JonM
 
Just because the CARNAUBA in our paste waxes is getting PHASED out, doesn't mean actual paste waxes are going to be as well. I suspect that chemists will develop newer, better, more durable pastes in the future, sans carnauba.



Applying paste waxes by hand is my prefered method, and I don't see that changing anytime soon...



As far as 'hoarding' products, I would vote against it at this point. Better waxes are on the way...
 
dpeezy415 said:
Just because the CARNAUBA in our paste waxes is getting PHASED out, doesn't mean actual paste waxes are going to be as well. I suspect that chemists will develop newer, better, more durable pastes in the future, sans carnauba.
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I'm not a regular carnauba waxer by any means. But it isn't actually the carnauba that provides the "carnauba look" is it? It must be the oils, no? So in theory, you are right, and replacing carnauba with some synethic won't change much.
 
Carnauba waxes will never completely die. Besides, I have 3 1/2 tins of #16 that should last me more than a few years.
 
They're not gone. Carnauba still has a lot of life left in it.



There is still a large market for popular wax lines such as Mother's California Gold and Meg's.



What would I do if I couldn't get a can of two of my favorite carnaubas, P21S or Zymol?????? Hitch hike I suppose......
 
I say no way, every summer I prefer to use a high end carnauba wax on my car. Last week for instance I did a full detail on my black Audi and used Trade Secret on it because it makes the finish really pop. Before this I had the car sealed with Menzerna FMJ and let me tell you that trade secret blows FMJ away in my opinion. Also on any car that I prepare for a show I will always use a carnauba wax rather than a synthetic, for the the shine is on a diff level. sorry this post is rushed b/c I am at work!!
 
I agree with dpeezy415. I think carnaubas have stayed around because no one had to come up with something that looked better. Now that they have to, they will.





Tom
 
BlkTac05 said:
How does this affect my favorite "go to" carnaubas, P21S & Pinnalce Souveran? Should I be stocking up on these?
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I wouldn't bother trying to stock up. The two waxes you mentioned seem to be proud of the carnauba they use(especially Pinnacle). I seriously doubt they're going to change their formula(i.e. take out the carnauba) anytime soon. Of course, it never hurts to pick up a can or two when there is a sale somewhere!:)
 
While new products are coming out all of the time I highly doubt that carnauba waxes will be phased out anytime soon. I have tried every synthetic that came out and they have all disappointed me in terms of depth, and I think manufacturers realize this. I guess I am old school at only 21 but if manufacturers like Pinnacle ever hinted at getting rid of their carnauba based waxes I would by 20 jars, remove and vacu-seal the wax, and freeze the blocks for years to come.
 
No one seems to have answered the question, as to whether manufacturers could take a paste wax like Pinnacle Souveran, and replace the carnauba content with a synthetic substance and keep the rest of the formula similar. It's not actually the carnauba that provides the legendary look is it?



Meaning, the aesthetics would be similar, except you might have great durability.



I'm also noting that people in colder climates use carnaubas in the summer. Over here, carnauba waxes melt off the car in a week in the hottest of weather.
 
JustinTRW said:
No one seems to have answered the question, as to whether manufacturers could take a paste wax like Pinnacle Souveran, and replace the carnauba content with a synthetic substance and keep the rest of the formula similar. It's not actually the carnauba that provides the legendary look is it?
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I think you're on to something, the ingredient(s) responsible for the exquisite look may not have a longer lasting, dead ringer substitute.
 
MS22 said:
While new products are coming out all of the time I highly doubt that carnauba waxes will be phased out anytime soon. I have tried every synthetic that came out and they have all disappointed me in terms of depth, and I think manufacturers realize this. I guess I am old school at only 21 but if manufacturers like Pinnacle ever hinted at getting rid of their carnauba based waxes I would by 20 jars, remove and vacu-seal the wax, and freeze the blocks for years to come.
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Not sure, but I believe freezing the wax is bad.
 
JustinTRW said:
No one seems to have answered the question, as to whether manufacturers could take a paste wax like Pinnacle Souveran, and replace the carnauba content with a synthetic substance and keep the rest of the formula similar. It's not actually the carnauba that provides the legendary look is it?



Pinnacle seems to be really proud of their "ivory" carnauba. Their marketing seems to revolve around it. I can't see them going away from it.
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That may be true, but I still wonder whether or not it's possible and if it works well. Sort of like Pink Wax. Then eventually, we may see carnauba style paste waxes with synthetic ingredients that apply and look similarly to old style products.



It's probably not that simple however, due to the chemistry of it all, but an interesting proposition none the less.
 
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