DACP vs. Perfect-It III: Which is better?

ntwrkguy1

ntwrkguy1

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Does anyone have a great deal of experience with these two products? I've used DACP a bunch, but have only used PI-III two times. It seemed to me that the PI-III gave better results, but since the results were actually on two different cars, that's tough to say.
 
Aren't there several kinds of PI-III, there's a Fine Cut Compound, Machine Glaze and Hand Glaze. You might specify which one you're trying to compare DACP with
 
Recently I spent a couple of hours playing with 3M Perfect-It III Machine Glaze (05397) and Perfect-It III Finishing Glaze (05941). Both are excellent products, and have the advantage of being available locally - even in smaller towns. I’ve decided that PI-III FG will be my very mild polish of choice replacing P21S GEPC, and PI-III MG will be my mild polish choice replacing 3M SMR or Meg’s #9.
 
I've only recently started experimenting with the two products, and I think they are two different animals, not an either/or thing. I may think differently after more experience with them, but I found the PI-III MG to be significantly milder than the DACP. You can use PI-III MG as a second step to clean up after the DACP (if needed).



In adjulian's link above you will find a link to Geekysteve's comparison of the two products in which he concludes that he loves PI-III MG and will relegate his DAPC to the trash can. Just remember that he was using a rotary; with a PC I have a place for both products.
 
I, too, have recently been playing with both products on a black Benz. They are similar, however....I noticed that the Perfect It III seemed to make the paint deeper and blacker than the DACP. I thought I was going crazy so I had my wife look at the 2 panels. She agreed that the DACP panel looked grayer than the other section. I brought home some more PI III to do over the the DACP panel....I'll see what happens.

So far ..it looks like my finish of choice is going to be...PI III, AIO and UPP. AIO is due on Thursday.

Can I use VM between the PI III and the AIO ???
 
unclearty said:
So far ..it looks like my finish of choice is going to be...PI III, AIO and UPP. AIO is due on Thursday.
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Since you are going with PUPP for your sealant I’m wondering why you are using AIO instead of PUPP-C for your final preparation step.
 
I am looking for longevity. Since black is so hard to keep up, I'm going to finish the car with PI III to get her smooth and deep...then AIO for the acrylic base and UPP for the top layer and gloss. I've been through the UPP and S100 topper routine, and although it looks great, it also attracts more pollen and dust. So..I've removed the S100 and am awaiting the delivery of AIO in the next couple of days
 
unclearty - - Good reasoning! I’m currently playing with different synthetics (Zaino, Klasse, Platinum, and EX) as a base for carnauba on my Jet Black paint. No results yet.
 
Nick, I asked the same question recently, why use AIO instead of UPP-C under UPP, and was told that AIO had greater cleaning power. I'm not sure that's relevant to me because I would try to have my paint polished and clean before applying a sealant or wax. On the other hand, maybe cleaning means getting rid of the oils and fillers left by the paint prep. That said, I will be trying AIO under UPP because 1) I already have AIO on hand, 2) I have an irrational faith in AIO for doing just about everything, and 3) I am feeling guilty about abandoning SG.



But my REAL reason for trying AIO/UPP is that Autopians have tried it, liked it, and reported that it works.



Unclearty, you asked if VM would work before AIO. I have heard VM contains a mild abrasive, so its polishing effect sounds good. But I seriously doubt that the oils, emollients, elixars, ointments or any other magical potions it may add to the paint would survive the ruthless cleaning power of AIO.
 
this might be a little off base from the original thread. I have had great results using DACP, VM, UPP. I did a few black cars last week that were absolutely stunning, pics to come. I had no smearing or bonding issues and couldn't imagine topping it with a carnauba. The VM adds depth that I never saw with AIO or UPC.
 
Bruce - - Good point about the cleaning power of AIO. It’s definitely more aggressive than PUPP-C.
 
thomasfl - Off-thread or not, thanks for the input. I've been waiting to hear about the VM/PUPP combo, wondered about bonding issues. Hmm.. I have AIO, GEPC, and VM on hand to choose from for the base of my PUPP...still debating.



And ON-THREAD, I'm gonna try the PI-III 05937 for the polish step.
 
Nick T. said:
Try 'em all side-by-side - - and post your results. That's how we all can learn.
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Heh heh, I'll be lucky to find the time to do the car ONCE, and then it'll have to last for a looong time. That's why I want to make the right decision. Yes, I recognize that I'm not contributing to our store of knowlege on this :o The S8 takes me over 3 hours just to WASH (and the last time I BF'ed it it took over a week, e.g., several hours for just the grill), so I hardly ever drive it :( Have to spend the available time on the cars that we HAVE to use (my wife's car, the one for dog hauling, etc.)...in fact I gotta go remove the latest coat of SG from the MPV in a minute.
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, I'll be lucky to find the time to do the car ONCE, and then it'll have to last for a looong time. That's why I want to make the right decision. Yes, I recognize that I'm not contributing to our store of knowlege on this :o The S8 takes me over 3 hours just to WASH (and the last time I BF'ed it it took over a week, e.g., several hours for just the grill), so I hardly ever drive it :( Have to spend the available time on the cars that we HAVE to use (my wife's car, the one for dog hauling, etc.)...in fact I gotta go remove the latest coat of SG from the MPV in a minute.
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Takes you a week to wax a car ???



What ya doin it with ?



I can wash, vac and wax a car to a high standard in just over an hour.

If it needs the works, i.e. DACP etc it'll take 3.



I dont think I could take a week to wax something - I wouldnt trust the weather LOL.
 
Smoker- I'm gonna post on why it takes me SO long on the How Long Does It Take To Wash Your Car thread. I don't wanna hijack this too far afield from the polish topic.
 
Back on topic...I'm pretty new to detailing and have been working my car over with 3M SMR (with PC) with pretty good results. Still have some fine scratches (can't feel them with fingernail) so I thought I would try 3M PI-III Trizact MG 05930 before going to DACP. I do not see more scratches removed going over the sections already done with SMR. I'm dissappointed in the results but don't want to get too aggressive. I backed the car out of the garage into the sunlight today and now notice some light buffing marks that were not there before the MG. I'll go back over with SMR to hopefully correct that. I just don't seem to get the great results that GeekySteve and others seem to get with this product. Maybe their vehicles are already almost swirl mark free.



Anyone have pictures of how much product they use on a yellow CMA pad for a 2' x 2' section? I can't seem to figure out how much is the right amount. I have tried a lot and a little and don't see much difference.
 
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