creating a haze or not removing it to start with?

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xtahoex

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Hello All,

Well I am trying to help a friend out polishing his 98 Four Runner. Its red and the paint on the hood has almost no reflection at all. I had good success during a test with 3m perfect it II rubbing compound fine cut on an orange pad followed with #9 but the 3M is a pain to work with. Today I bought some #83 and and tried that followed by #9 which I already had and this worked to some degree but is not bringing out crystal clear reflections, I used both of these with orange pads and then used #9 with a black pad because I had no clean polishing pads. My questions is whether the combination of 83 and 9 should work or if I need to try something else. Also is it likely that I am creating a haze with the 83 or that I am not working it enough and not removing the original haze from the paint. Sorry no pics at this time. Thanks in advance
 
xtahoex said:
Hello All,

Well I am trying to help a friend out polishing his 98 Four Runner. Its red and the paint on the hood has almost no reflection at all. I had good success during a test with 3m perfect it II rubbing compound fine cut on an orange pad followed with #9 but the 3M is a pain to work with. Today I bought some #83 and and tried that followed by #9 which I already had and this worked to some degree but is not bringing out crystal clear reflections, I used both of these with orange pads and then used #9 with a black pad because I had no clean polishing pads. My questions is whether the combination of 83 and 9 should work or if I need to try something else. Also is it likely that I am creating a haze with the 83 or that I am not working it enough and not removing the original haze from the paint. Sorry no pics at this time. Thanks in advance
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Rotary or Orbital?
 
im no pro, but missing that white polishing pad, the sole purpose of which is to remove compounding and cutting pad imperfections may be your missing link . . . i have done what you are doing before, tried to go from orange to black, using different products, and had the same results you are talking about.
 
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Fdizzle - Thanks I guess that might be my problem I will have time to clean a polishing pad today so maybe I'll be able to give that a try. Thanks.
 
I myself (YMMV) wouldn't expect the #83 to finish out quite as well as the 3M 39002 unless you're using a rotary. I also wouldn't expect the #9 to be a sufficiently aggressive follow up to the #83, at least not in every case and not with a finishing pad (again, unless you're using a rotary).
 
Thanks for the reply accumulator. I am going to attempt to follow up the 83 with the 9 and see how it goes just because I have it. My next question though would be about mixing. I see a lot of people doing this so my question would be whether I could mix 9 and 83 to creat a mid polish similar to 80? This of course is because I have 83 and 9 and no 80 at the time.



so I guess these are my three options, which one do yall think would work best.



Orange pad-83

white pad-9

LSP



orange pad-83

white pad-mix 9/83

LSP



Orange pad-83

White pad-3m PI-II

LSP



I've also got meguiars step 2 polish and #7 if I should work those in somewhere. Or please suggest your own method using any of the products above. Thanks again.
 
xtahoex said:
Thanks for the reply accumulator. I am going to attempt to follow up the 83 with the 9 and see how it goes just because I have it. My next question though would be about mixing. I see a lot of people doing this so my question would be whether I could mix 9 and 83 to creat a mid polish similar to 80? This of course is because I have 83 and 9 and no 80 at the time.



so I guess these are my three options, which one do yall think would work best.



Orange pad-83

white pad-9

LSP



orange pad-83

white pad-mix 9/83

LSP



Orange pad-83

White pad-3m PI-II

LSP



I've also got meguiars step 2 polish and #7 if I should work those in somewhere. Or please suggest your own method using any of the products above. Thanks again.
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Nah, good try, but mixing the #83 with anything won't change the initial size/bite of the #83's abrasives and that's (IMO) the primary factor in the potential hazing. #80 starts out milder than #83 and also finishes down finer (regardless of application method).



I don't see the (functionally nonabrasive) DC#2 and/or #7 helping out much, except maybe as a little appearance-enhancer/micormarring hider before the LSP.



I don't have enough experience with #83 to advise in detail...I'd see how #83/#9 actually works, the fillers/etc. in #9 might help a lot. Personally, I'd rather use the 3M PI-II FCRC then the #9, but don't breath the PI-II's silica-based dust. Yeah, it can gum up sometimes, but I never went back to Meg's stuff like #83 after I tried 3M (or Hi-Temp).



If the #83/#9 doesn't work, you could always try #83/PI-II/#9, but that's making it a lot more complicated that it needs to be. The #83 and the PI-II just aren't all *that* different IMO but I would expect the PI-II to finish out (a little) better.
 
Thanks a lot accumulator this is all really helping a lot. I Tried 9 with the polishing pad on the area where I used 83 yesterday and it really helped a lot with the hazing. I think the main reason I am having so much trouble is that the hood is a repaint, it is much harder to work with than the paint on the rest of the car. Even the roof is in much better shape to start with. On the sides the #9 by itself is perfect. Once again thanks for the help and I promise I'll have some pictures up sooner or later.
 
Shows the dullness of the hood why does it look so bad. Even the roof shows more detail in the reflections than this.

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another photo of the hood with the brinkman

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You can see the polished section near the bottom and unpolished at the top

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a picture of the door after being polished only with #9

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a picture of the same door as above after being polished and one of the rear door on the same side, unpolished.

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xtahox-I'm just guessing here, but I'd say no. I've seen some pretty awful orangepeel that still looked nice and shiny. A poor repaint might never shine up that well depending on how bad it is, but I don't think I'd blame the orangepeel in and of itself. Not sure what the answer would be, and I might be completely wrong, hard to say without being there trying stuff. I'd sure be hesitant about wetsanding it though...



Otherwise, glad to hear the #9 is working out better than I'd expected. Sometimes you just need a few extra passes with a "too mild" product to get the job done.
 
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