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audio1der

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Is their #20 Polymer sealant the same type of product as Zaino?

I currently use Z, but it is expensive once shipping is factored in, and #20 is available locally.

If so, does it require a "pre-lock" step like Z1 does for Z2?



Also, what is the difference between #16 and #26? It seems as if #26 is meant to deepen the colour of the paint, while #26 just adds depth.

I used #26paste as a topper over Z last summer, but I'm really just trying to add depth, not deepedn.

1 more: Would S100 give the same type of carnauba depth as a Meg's pro. paste, or just more shine?



And input is appreciated- gearing up for garage time in 32 more days.:xyxthumbs
 
#20 is not like Zaino. It's more like Liquid Glass or a mild version of AIO. Actually, nothing is like Zaino, except Zaino.



I can't answer the 26 vs 16 question but my impression is that 26 is more "high tech" with some sort of synthetics in it to improve durability. 16 is more like an old skool wax, IMO. But I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in with something more accurate.
 
bretfraz said:
I can't answer the 26 vs 16 question but my impression is that 26 is more "high tech" with some sort of synthetics in it to improve durability. 16 is more like an old skool wax, IMO. But I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in with something more accurate.
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Actually, your impression is about the same as mine. I like to use the #16 when I am detailing more exotic cars, such as an older Porsche, especially, when durability is not an issue. There's just something about using a paste wax on those types of cars.
 
My understanding is that 16 is more pure "wax" without the polymers added and that the durability will be greater with 16 than with # 26. Most "old skool" waxes used to last a long time.

I thought 16 would compare to the best from Collinite or is that another question.
 
Sorry to be so general; by asking if #20 is like Zaino, I wonder if because #20 is a polymer, if it has added UV protectants, and applies/buffs off similarly to Z. I like having a synthetic as a base, and if #20 fit that bill...

One would think some polymers in a paste wax would add durability, non?

I suppoes it doesn't hurt to experiment, unless #16 is ungodly expensive...

Thanks, guys.

Audio1der

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My two pennies...



I've never used Zaino but agree with bretfraz in that nothing is like Zaino except Zaino. I've seen many cars in person detailed with the Zaino products and have read many reviews about it. Zaino is its own unique line of products that goes about shining and protecting in its own unique way.



I do have lots of experience with the Meg's line and can give you my opinion on those products:



#20 does not require a "pre-lok" prior to its use. It contains VERY mild cleaners and abrasives to help bind the product to the surface. I have used it for several years (off and on depending on the vehicle I was detailing) and give it a thumbs up for ease of application and removal. It has a very nice gloss to it...kinda like NXT but not as deep nor as reflective. Reflections are clear and sharp and durability is quite good as it is a polymer. I usually use Meg's #81 Hand Polish as a glaze before I apply the #20 to give the finish a deeper and glossier look.



#26 is a yellow carnuba wax blend. I have found that it deepens darker colors and has a very warm tone to it. The reflections are sharp but not as crisp as #20. Since it is a carnuba based product don't expect 6 months protection out of it! I've only used the liquid version of this wax and have found that it likes to be applied by hand with a foam applicator...when using my PC it will gum up the pad in no time.



#16 is indeed an "old school" paste wax and I think it is the oldest Meg's formula still available to the public. It's light blue in color and smells like crayons!! Application is super easy and applying thin coats by hand is a breeze. The gloss is very similar to #20 but it adds a very distinct "wet-look" to the paint. I recently applied #16 over NXT (another great idea from Scottwax:xyxthumbs) and it made my silver paint look like a shimmering pool of metallic!! One word of advice DO NOT let #16 set on your paint any longer than necessary...you'd have better luck removing cement from the vehicle. I will apply to the entire vehicle at once then immediately start removal with a MF towel.



Mike:cool:
 
You guys really oughta try the #16, it's VERY good stuff. Lasts a long time, too. A second coat after a week or so will make it look and last even better. I like applying it by random orbital, it's like a "paste wax that turns liquid" when you work it; I also remove it by machine, with MF bonnets. I actually find it ENJOYABLE to use, it's one of those waxes that are less like "a chore" than some others. It's a "heavy" wax that hides marring better than many other products.



Blake- Yeah, #16 is like a better looking Collinite that doesn't last quite as long (ha, what wax does ;) ). It beads MUCH like the Collinite.



audio1der- Having both P21S and #16 here on the shelf, I'd go with the #16 if I were you.
 
audio1der said:
Wow- thanks!

Sounds like a Z base, then layered #7 & #16 or S100 for me this summer.

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Umm, sorry to say this, but you can't use #7 over top of anything else. Glazes tend to strip sealants (and waxes actually) and the two usually end up being mutually exclusive products.
 
Hmm.

All last summer I'd throw a thin layer of #7 down, and then #26paste over top off both our vehicles. Didn't seem to have any durability issues...:nixweiss

#7 over Z topped w/carnauba shines line a mofo!
 
#7 and then #26 is fine, but you can't really put glaze over other products without at least partially removing what's under it. It's the solvent carriers that do this, which is also why it's usually better to go with a paste, not liquid wax topper for sealants.
 
I'd go with the #20/#16 combo. It really gives you a lot of bang for the buck. #20 is pretty durable on its own and #16 lasts a good while and will add noticable wetness to #20.
 
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