Could this be wrong (Change up in QEW method)?

M

MorBid

New member
K, I've been using QEW since last fall w/the two bucket method. One 2 gal w/QEW and the other a 5 Gal with just water as a toss bucket for the wash mitts.



Today I tried something different.



QEW and water in a two gallon sprayer and just a 2 gallon bucket for washing out the mitt.



So essentially I'm soaking a panel w/qew, then running a barley wet sheepskin mitt across it, and drying w/two mf towels.



ne1 see a probelm with this? I did it today in the garage under halogen lighting and did not notice and marring.
 
Scottwax -- The Mac Daddy of QEW. Thanks for the reply.



Actually, I think it works better for me when soaking the panel with the sprayer.



I should've mention that I only did the Back end, doors, quarter panels, and fenders this way and mostly because of the heavy "salt dust" that builds up on these spots.



I really like to get that as much of that stuff off the car as possible before running anything accross it.



I had washed the car the day before (testing my new pressure washer) so there was not that much.
 
I use a garden sprayer to presoak heavier areas (especially with salts). I still use the two bucket method. I just feel more comfortable with the presoak.
 
MorBid said:
I should've mention that I only did the Back end, doors, quarter panels, and fenders this way and mostly because of the heavy "salt dust" that builds up on these spots.



I really like to get that as much of that stuff off the car as possible before running anything accross it.
Click to expand...



For situations like this I think the sprayer and the regular bucket of QEW mix is safest: more lubrication than just one of these alone.
 
I add the ounce of QD to the mix and use the sprayer with a light dilution of QEW in the sprayer.



The main reason I do this is because CT has lot of salt/dirt/sand on the roads now being winter. Grime cakes easily and its pretty much a sure shot you will rub it across the surface.



Not having access to a hose, this method is key :).
 
GSRstilez said:
Not having access to a hose, this method is key :).
Click to expand...



I don't add any QD but your right on track with what I'm talking about.



I don't have access to a hose either at the Town Home where I live.



However I got sick of waiting in queue at the laser wash (even to just to use the bays) so I broke down and brought and Karcher Pressure washer.
 
MorBid said:




I don't have access to a hose either at the Town Home where I live.



However I got sick of waiting in queue at the laser wash (even to just to use the bays) so I broke down and brought and Karcher Pressure washer.
Click to expand...



If you don't have a hose, how do you operate your pressure washer?
 
... it worked for me too. This inspired me to compare it to Poorboy's Spray & Wipe, but nobody seems interested in the comparison. I was interested because QEW is MUCH cheaper than S&W so if it works the same then maybe S&W isn't such a good value. :hide:



I exchanged a few emails with a Poorboy guy and, not surprisingly, he wasn't too interested in making the comparison. On the one hand I can understand, but on the other I wonder if he's afraid of the comparison.



I mean if you're convinced your product is superior, why not say so and why? However most people just point out that QEW isn't meant for that type of cleaning ... blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:



I use lots of things for detailing that weren't meant for detailing! :xyxthumbs
 
Gruss I admit I'm a member @ DC, but as Steve said, they are different products. How can you compare a regular Florida Orange to a Blood orange (if that makes sense)? Either way find something that works well for you! If I had it my way (tons of cash lots of time to punch in orders laugh) I would grab gallons of either QEW or S&W :D
 
General Lee said:
If you don't have a hose, how do you operate your pressure washer?
Click to expand...



Two 5 gallon buckets of fresh water and cheapo transfer pump from Sears.



That's enough to hose off the car (pre-rinse) then rinse everything down after washing. I pull the car back in the garage and dry w/a big blue MF afterwards.



Unattached/Unfinished garage is toasty warm with the 170,000 BTU Kerosene forced air heater I brought from Lowes for $238.00. In fact it gets too toasty. Glad it has a thermostat which I can set to cycle the thing on and off.



I've got two 12.5 gallon water tanks coming to replace the buckets so I can get the undercarriage in.
 
GrussGott, It looks like Morbid is using the sprayer to presoak not as a replacement to S&W. I'm working on a comparison too on swirl free panel of my blue altima. But the early findings are that even at double strength, I dont feel the same lubricity that I do with S&W.



I primarily use S&W now. It works better for me to clean a well maintained surface. It gives me more time to work on windows and other things. As far as cost goes, I use b/w 2-4 ounes to do my entire xTerra including the wheels. If the car is really dirty (very rare but happened last week) I'll bust out the QEW and use a 1 bucket "easy" method.



Aloha,

Robert
 
I started using a sprayer early this winter (nov or dec)... bought a 3 gallon Stanley model for like $30. I mainly use it for spraying bad panels, but started using a pressurized garden sprayer that holds something like 48ounces for QEW mix to spray the panel down before I QEW. I use the 2 bucket method of QEW.
 
SilvaBimma said:
as Steve said, they are different products. How can you compare a regular Florida Orange to a Blood orange
Click to expand...



Yeah, I hear you, but I guess I can compare because I'm using them for the same thing in the same way.



I expected Steve to say that S&W was better and list some reasons such as viscosity or protection or anything - throw me a frickin' bone here! :confused:



When all he had to say is that the products are different ... well, duh. What I wanted him to say was why S&W was better.



For example, ask a modder why Motul oil is better then Castrol and you'll get all kinds of reasons. Now think if I asked why Motul was better than Canola oil! :eek:



If Steve doesn't have any reasons why S&W is better than QEW (as a s&w!) then he probably doesn't care and if he doesn't care then he doesn't have the best product because he's not trying to be better, just good enough.



As detailers we want better than good enough so I'm going to test the coefficient of friction and detergent ability of both products and see which is better.



What this thread has proven, though, is that there's 2 people who've used QEW as a spray & wipe and gotten good results. The way I mix QEW (double strength), it's 5 times cheaper than S&W, and if it works the same and Steve doesn't care to provide any reasons why it shouldn't then ...
 
robman said:
GrussGott, It looks like Morbid is using the sprayer to presoak not as a replacement to S&W. I'm working on a comparison too on swirl free panel of my blue altima. But the early findings are that even at double strength, I dont feel the same lubricity that I do with S&W.
Click to expand...




Well I am a noob so maybe I have a bad technique here. What I've done with both S&W and QEW is spray the panel and let it soak for a minute or so and then carefully wipe off.



Here's how I got there:



First I used the 2 bucket QEW method with a mitt, but then I switched to just spraying on the QEW and using the bucket to rinse. Then I ditched the mitt and used QEW with MF like I do with S&W.



After lots of testing (under the runners!) I determined that QEW worked the same as S&W. If fact I found that the thicker S&W didn't cut through the thicker salt/sand crud as well as the QEW since it seemed to stay on the surface rather than dissolve the dirt off.



Basically more S&W didn't seem to help with heavy grit while this technique with QEW did: spray once to let the grit roll off, again, a 3rd time and then wipe. Obviously from the top down :)



The testing was on a new car that's been UPP'd and UGE'd and is washed 3 times a week (so I get lots of practice!) :xyxthumbs
 
Whoa, I'm so suprised at how far this thread has gone.



I didn't mean to stir up a bees nest (product comparison between Spray and Wipe / QEW) I've never even used S&W.



However you guys did answer my original question and it seems I can use this method.



Thanks for all the replies.



MorBid
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top