compare onr qd strength vs oid

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tarponteaser

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Morning all,



The ONR sounds like a great product for multiple uses. Can someone who has used both the ONR at Quick Detail strength and the Optimum Instant Detail and Gloss enhancer tell me how they compare?



The mixing ratio and pricing obviously make the ONR a better value about 47 cents per qt for the ONR mix versus 4.99/ qt for the Optimum Instant Quick detail(especially if one has the ONR for washing anyways).



The vehicles I will be using the product on are treated with the UPGP, if that has any bearing on the matter.



Thanks for any insight
 
mobenzowner said:
IMO, the ONR at qd strength is better at cleaning, while the OID is slicker and glossier.(and smells better lol) I use and love both. hth
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x2. Thats why I asked the question I did. ONR for cleaning and OID for looks. IMO get 32oz of both.
 
Valid questions guys,



I never used a QD before I received my intro package of Ultima products. I finished the small bottle of the Ultima QD in between the first and second layer of the UPGP this past weekend and liked the quick clean up of a relatively clean truck.



My main goal is prepping a big truck (crew cab F250) when I want multiple layers of UPGP. Additional uses are for routine light cleaning in between regular washes. i.e salt mist from the beach , overspray from neighbor's sprinkler, minor road dirt from puddles or wet roads. Oh, and lest I forget....bird bombs and bugs.



For now I plan on just getting 1 gallon of ONR cause I want it for doing the rinseless wash and I found a place that sells it with no shipping or tax to my Florida address. I guess I was wondering what I would be 'missing if I used the ONR recipe for QD versus the specific QD formula. The UPGP really makes the truck shine....perhaps too much cause when I take a photo with the zoom , the reflection shows the orange peel effect in the paint that you do not see without full zoom.



Thanks for the feedback, this is a go to place for detailing info.
 
tarponteaser said:
Valid questions guys,



I never used a QD before I received my intro package of Ultima products. I finished the small bottle of the Ultima QD in between the first and second layer of the UPGP this past weekend and liked the quick clean up of a relatively clean truck.



My main goal is prepping a big truck (crew cab F250) when I want multiple layers of UPGP. Additional uses are for routine light cleaning in between regular washes. i.e salt mist from the beach , overspray from neighbor's sprinkler, minor road dirt from puddles or wet roads. Oh, and lest I forget....bird bombs and bugs.



For now I plan on just getting 1 gallon of ONR cause I want it for doing the rinseless wash and I found a place that sells it with no shipping or tax to my Florida address. I guess I was wondering what I would be 'missing if I used the ONR recipe for QD versus the specific QD formula. The UPGP really makes the truck shine....perhaps too much cause when I take a photo with the zoom , the reflection shows the orange peel effect in the paint that you do not see without full zoom.



Thanks for the feedback, this is a go to place for detailing info.
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Use the ONR for quick clean up and use the OID or FK425 for gloss and slickness.
 
This thread is great! I was just having a discussion with SuperBee last night about economical QD's, wanting to use my 32oz container of ONR for QD. This yields (at 6oz per gallon); 6 gallons of QD. Most economical for 15 dollars.
 
Mindflux said:
This thread is great! I was just having a discussion with SuperBee last night about economical QD's, wanting to use my 32oz container of ONR for QD. This yields (at 6oz per gallon); 6 gallons of QD. Most economical for 15 dollars.
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You can whip up a gallon of clay lube as well. IIRC its 2oz per gallon. ONR is the shizzy. :D
 
tarponteaser said:
I guess I was wondering what I would be 'missing if I used the ONR recipe for QD versus the specific QD formula.
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Well the ONR at QD strength will be a better cleaner than OID. The ONR QD does contain polymers so it will enhance the slickness and gloss of your finish but not as well as OID. Thats why I said get both use ONR as a cleaning QD/Clay lube/wash and OID as a beauty QD if you will. Honestly the 32oz OID for $20 will yield a gallon of QD and IMO its a great value. A little goes along way.
 
The economy of the ONR QD recipe got my attention too. The truck has a large surface area and I'll probably apply the QD liberally for maximum lubrication to avoid marring from surface contaminants while wiping down. I think I can afford $1.87/gallon for the ONR QD recipe.



hmm...Anyone try mixing the ONR QD recipe 50:50 with the Optimum Instant Detail and Gloss Enhancer?? That would produce a hybrid QD product with a theoretical cost of $10.93/gallon (2.73/qt) if the ONR is 39.99/gallon and the IDGE concentrate is 19.99/qt . Would that provide the cleaning and the gloss or would the mix be imcompatible??



On another note, what is the durability of the instant detail and gloss enhancer?
 
Gemini13 said:
You can whip up a gallon of clay lube as well. IIRC its 2oz per gallon. ONR is the shizzy. :D
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If 6oz per Gal makes a QD, I don't think there's any way in hell I'd use 2oz per gal to make a Clay Lube.
 
tarponteaser said:
hmm...Anyone try mixing the ONR QD recipe 50:50 with the Optimum Instant Detail and Gloss Enhancer?? That would produce a hybrid QD product with a theoretical cost of $10.93/gallon (2.73/qt) if the ONR is 39.99/gallon and the IDGE concentrate is 19.99/qt . Would that provide the cleaning and the gloss or would the mix be imcompatible??
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I asked a similar question as above, but didnt really get any response. Maybe I'll have to mix a small "hybrid" batch and see what happens.
 
To me you are not comparing apples to apples. ONR is to me a wash product. OID is a quick shine look good product and a good one.
 
MDRX8 said:
To me you are not comparing apples to apples. ONR is to me a wash product. OID is a quick shine look good product and a good one.
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And I will finally be trying it out today (thanks again Legacy99!) as my wife finally remembered to buy some distilled water at the grocery store!
 
tarponteaser said:
hmm...Anyone try mixing the ONR QD recipe 50:50 with the Optimum Instant Detail and Gloss Enhancer?? That would produce a hybrid QD product with a theoretical cost of $10.93/gallon (2.73/qt) if the ONR is 39.99/gallon and the IDGE concentrate is 19.99/qt . Would that provide the cleaning and the gloss or would the mix be imcompatible??
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My guess is you would make a concoction which doesn't clean as well as pure ONR QD and doesn't shine as well as pure OID but does an OK job of each. I would just assume use each individually.
 
Mindflux said:
If 6oz per Gal makes a QD, I don't think there's any way in hell I'd use 2oz per gal to make a Clay Lube.
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From AG:



"# Add 2 ounces of No Rinse Wash & Shine to a gallon of water to make a super-slick clay bar lubricant. Wet the surface of your vehicle to provide a slippery protective layer beneath Opti-clay. After you’ve clayed each section, simply wipe it dry. This solution is as effective as any clay lubricant you can buy!





# Add 6 ounces of No Rinse Wash & Shine to a gallon of water to make an excellent quick detailer. Fill up a spray bottle with this mixture and use it to clean and shine your vehicle, just as you would use a traditional detailer. The proprietary polymers bond to the paint surface to protect it from abrasion and micro-marring as you clean. The incredible formula leaves your vehicle extremely slick and glossy, like you just applied wax!"



Megs recommends you cut Last Touch from full strength (for QD'ing) to 1:1 for claying. Just throwing that out there as a comparative point.
 
Gemini13 said:
From AG:



"# Add 2 ounces of No Rinse Wash & Shine to a gallon of water to make a super-slick clay bar lubricant. Wet the surface of your vehicle to provide a slippery protective layer beneath Opti-clay. After you’ve clayed each section, simply wipe it dry. This solution is as effective as any clay lubricant you can buy!





# Add 6 ounces of No Rinse Wash & Shine to a gallon of water to make an excellent quick detailer. Fill up a spray bottle with this mixture and use it to clean and shine your vehicle, just as you would use a traditional detailer. The proprietary polymers bond to the paint surface to protect it from abrasion and micro-marring as you clean. The incredible formula leaves your vehicle extremely slick and glossy, like you just applied wax!"



Megs recommends you cut Last Touch from full strength (for QD'ing) to 1:1 for claying. Just throwing that out there as a comparative point.
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I know what the recommended is. But it seems wrong to me. If I'm going to be rubbing something abrasive on my paint I want to use something slick to minimize marring. It makes no sense to make a QD that is stronger than a Clay lube since it seems more likely to marr your paint with a clay bar than a quick detail (assuming your car isn't covered in clumps of dirt).
 
ONR QD strength can leave a slick finish. I like how it leaves a nice glossy finish.



I have yet to use OID since I have almost a gallon of ONR QD.
 
Mindflux said:
I know what the recommended is. But it seems wrong to me. If I'm going to be rubbing something abrasive on my paint I want to use something slick to minimize marring. It makes no sense to make a QD that is stronger than a Clay lube since it seems more likely to marr your paint with a clay bar than a quick detail (assuming your car isn't covered in clumps of dirt).
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Thats cool. IMO I don't think they would recommend it if they hadn't already tested it themselves and found it to be safe. For what its worth Last Touch works great as a clay lube at half strength.
 
I hate to be getting into the habbit of agreeing with Mindflux ;) , but I wouldn't use ONR as a clay lube at anything other than QD strength. I dunno, I guess it's because ONR doesn't really *feel* slippery, so it's hard to judge it's lubrication properties, because the old standard of slippery doesn't apply to it.



I've used it as a clay lubricant at 6 oz to the gallon without marring.
 
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