Collinite No. 845 Insulator
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Ronkh
Wax Waster
put it in a bowl of hot water, let it sit for a while, then shake it up
The Gloss Boss
You Mirin'?
What kind of durability are people seeing with 845 in harsh winter conditions? I am trying to decide between using this or Hydr02 for my "winter prep" package this year.
SGM2008
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I would add Sonax Polymer Net Shield to the mix. The durability is outstanding.
The Gloss Boss
You Mirin'?
If you are using it as a topper I would apply it by hand as to not disturb the first layer.
The Gloss Boss
You Mirin'?
Hydr02 is just too dang easy to apply but I am worried about its longevity. CarPro claims 3 months max. Winter is usually pretty harsh for 2-3 solid months where I am at.
wdmaccord
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I would not put this on top of WD. 845 is a hybrid sealant/wax. It should be applied to bare paint.
Other questions: yes, it should stay more liquid after you warm it up for the first time. Durability: I made it through the brutal winter last year and did quite a few touchless washes (harsh soap).
alexxxx89
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I can get my minivan coated in roughly 20 minutes using a da and blue CCS pad.
I dont know much about winters, but my single layer over un-decon'd paint lasted nearly the entire summer (daily rains and extreme heat/humidity).
This is probably going get answers from all over.
I dont know much about winters, but my single layer over un-decon'd paint lasted nearly the entire summer (daily rains and extreme heat/humidity).
This is probably going get answers from all over.
bswombaugh
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I have never had any problems using 845 over Duragloss 105 sealant so I do not see why it wouldn't work just fine over the BFWD. I know a lot of people use it as a topper for great extended durability.
wdmaccord
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Be my guest, but it is unnecessary. Waste of WD in my opinion. Given my bfrw didn't work well with the 845 last winter, that further suggests to me that the WD polymers don't play well with 845. No issues with the dgrw last winter with 845.
Not trying to be a blowhard just speaking from my experience with the 2 sealant chemicals.
bswombaugh
New member
First I want to thank you for your advice. I by no means am disputing your experience since obviously you have had some issues with the two working together and the fact that I have never personally topped the BFWD with 845.
I do however know from experience that the 845 doesn't always need clean, bare paint to be effective. It plays very well with the DG 105 sealant and I have seen this combo provide a years worth of protection on a daily driver. It has been proven compatible as a topper over many sealants with no durability issues. It has even worked fine for me using it over a glaze such as PBBH.
Now that doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions and its going to work for everything and everybody. I appreciate that you shared your experience with the two products and this can shape my thinking going forward if I ever decided to use the two together. I think we all agree that a lot of the combos that we try are a "trial and error" thing. If it works for you use it - if not well it was fun trying it anyway !
wdmaccord
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Agree. 845 seems to play well with Duragloss, in my experience of switching to the rinseless wash last winter. Good to know it works well over DG105 as an option!
My point was more to the effect that some people think of 845 as a "topper" because it is called a "wax" when in fact it is a hybrid sealant/wax. For me, 845 would be my base sealant which could be topped with a wax like BF Midnight Sun Paste Wax or something similar.
This is a very helpful guide for those just trying 845 for the first time, or those that have tried it and felt like something wasn't quite right with their experience:
Collinite #845: The Definitive How-To Guide For This Legendary Wax - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
I find that it tends to "harden" a little bit when left @ room temp. But as you use it and there is some room for it to move simply shaking it helps it go back to a liquid.
If going over BFWD I would do it by hand. The solvents seems to be fairly string and I think using a DA to apply it is harder on sealants.
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
I have had 845 last through 3-4 months of harsh winter here in Ohio. But I ahve not tried Hyrdro2 in the winter yet. Really should do a 50/50 on a car and see how each side fairs. But I would say you need to cut the car down the center front to back to get realistic testing.
wdmaccord
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I have found this to be true also. A quick shake brings it back to more of a liquid. I usually still set it out in the sun for about 10 minutes before I use it each time...just to aid in making sure any chunks I can't see get re-liquefied.
Another suggestion that might be helpful...when you warm it for the first time, do that in the original bottle. Shake the crap out of it so it is thoroughly mixed. Then pour about half in a squeeze bottle (the link I posted shows the guy putting the whole bottle in the squeeze bottle...I do half so there is plenty of room to re-shake each time). Re-warm and use the squeeze bottle for each detail until it's almost gone, then warm the remainder in the original bottle, shake, and pour the rest into your squeeze bottle. Make sure you always hold the lid when you shake...either the original bottle or squeeze bottle (don't ask me how I know, but let's just say a portion of my kitchen sink, counter-top and wall were all protected last winter :lmfao).
Wow...lotsa good comments here! Thanks all! I did buy 845 for use as a topper not knowing it was hybrid sealant/wax BUT I will experiment and top my BFWD with 845. If it doesn't work, I won't do it again! Was just looking for a wax topper with durability. Love BFMS but obviously not good for winter durability.
wdmaccord
New member
BF Crystal Seal would be a good topper over WD. More durable than BFMS.
Interested to hear how your combo works out.
Merlin
A Miracle Detailing
Coli 845 is a great "winter wax" with enough durability to get you through the winter.