Collinite bonding issues?

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it was my first time...
Hey guys,



I decided to make 'my final online purchase' lol I hope :laugh:



Anyway included in that order was some Collinite Fleetwax #885. It seems like a tried and true wax in terms of durability, and that's really what I'm looking for with the start of NE winter, and for my vehicles in general.



My question is does Collinite Fleetwax #885 need a 'clean, bare' surface to properly bond to? After I get my clay and polishing done I was originally thinking of doing a base layer of DWG or Optimum Poli-Seal as a final polish, then sealing with the Collinite, but now I'm second thinking it since I'm wondering if there will be bonding issues compromising the longevity of the Collinite?



I'm just wondering what your experiences are with this. I've used other waxes and sealants under AIO products before but never went crazy to see how long they last, as I usually re-wax or try new products.



Any suggestions/advice, would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks!:bow
 
The Optimum Poli-seal would be a good base for 885. From my experience DWG, when used as a base, seriously compromises the duribility of any lsp.
 
Gears said:
The Optimum Poli-seal would be a good base for 885. From my experience DWG, when used as a base, seriously compromises the duribility of any lsp.
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Aren't the two products essential the same type of AIO though?
 
i can only speak from my experience with collinite over the past 34 years. why bother with a "base". i think that you are waisting you time. the duribility of collinite speaks for itself, ALONE after good prep. i just don't see the point of added steps and product when using collinite products. but hey, what do i know:nixweiss? just my opinion/experience. good luck.
 
DWG has a lot of oils which can compromise the bonding. Poli-Seal is a good base for sealants. Like someone else said just top with Collinite
 
I've had good results applying Collinite 885/476S over leaves-stuff-behind products such as KAIO and the 1Z consumer-line polishes.
 
A good AIO type product or a pure sealant will make an excellent base. Werkstat's Carnauba Prime is really good as well.
 
Johnny, I think a cleaned surface is essential to maximize your longevity. How you get there is certainly open to discussion.



I've had good luck with KAIO and WS Prime as my "cleaner/base".
 
zaxjax said:
DWG has a lot of oils which can compromise the bonding. Poli-Seal is a good base for sealants. Like someone else said just top with Collinite
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correct me if I am wrong as I have not used DWG



but I was under the impression it was acrylic based

not oil based so it should have no bonding issues





that's why people can use it with Zano & UPP
 
Ive had excellent success with collinite products and getting the most out of their longevity when using a clean well prepped surface and using the collinite product as the base.
 
Hey Johnny, here in Jerzey too and I always use Collinite products in the winter. I like Klasse AIO topped with any Collinite. If you have it, I'd give it a whirl. I've never used the Optimum but I know the Klasse under Collinite makes a fine winter protection plan given our weather.



Plus, if you get a mild day during the winter, you can do a wash and spruce up with a spray sealant like OCW if you have. I once received DP's Spray Surface Shield for free from Autogeek and that stuff really lasts. Perfect for a "sacrificial" layer that will last a few weeks.
 
I'd just skip the "base" and apply the Collinite right after the final polish. A base really only has value if you're using something that is finicky about bonding (e.g., non-cleaning sealants like Klasse or Zaino). This is just my experience. I don't think it's a problem, just wasted effort.
 
BigJimZ28 said:
correct me if I am wrong as I have not used DWG



but I was under the impression it was acrylic based

not oil based so it should have no bonding issues





that's why people can use it with Zano & UPP
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Yep.....:up



Taken a step further, I'm using RMG and Collinite 845 x2 for my daily driver black Acura and it's holding up just fine this winter.....
 
If the paint has not been corrected or striped then yes an AIO product will make a great base for any wax. However, on freshly corrected paint, i would be be really tempted to just put it on right after that last IPA wipedown. That way you know you would have the best bonding possible and conllinite products are so durable on their own it sometimes is just a waste to put on more than you have to.



my $0.02
 
Thanks for the responses guys. I think depending on time/weather will determine the route I go. I'll either do some polishing and just put the Collinite down, or I'll clean the car with Poli-Seal if I can't do all my polishing just so it has a clean base.
 
*If* I was gonna do a base/topper combo for winter protection, I'd go fk1 1000p topped with 476S. But I wouldn't do that... I'm in the "just use it by itself" group for Collinite winter protection. So much so, that I do an IPA or prepsol wipe down prior to the 476 to make sure it has a bare surface to adhere to. You'll get max durability that way.



In the summer (or when how the LSP *looks* is important), I'll improve the look of Collinite by putting it over a good glaze, but doing so invariably effects the durability of the Collinite. And not in a good way.



This winter, I'm using 1000p by itself, and have been very impressed so far.
 
Technically waxes don't bond they sit on the surface. If applied over oil they won't stick as long. It's probably best to use a wax over bare paint.
 
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