Claying questions

bonoz

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Is it okay to clay as you are washing the car? for example, apply soap onto a panel, use clay bar to remove micro grit, rinse, apply soap again, rinse, dry. Is that okay? I find this to be a bit of a short cut.



Also, should you or could you clay glass? mirrors? head/tail lights? trim? moldings? grill? etc.



Thanks
 
Wash your car first, do not clay as you wash - to clay you must have a clean surface. You can fully wash your car, and then when that's done re-soap the car and begin your claying, just make sure the paint is 100% clean first.
 
You can clay as you wash. I use ONR and clay before I dry the panel.



Ofcourse you wouldnt want to clay a dirty panel, common sense. Wipe the panel down first with your wash mitt and than clay.
 
I do it both ways, depending on how intense/involved the claying is gonna be.



Wash/rinse the panel until it's clean; clay the panel, quick, cursory rewash/rinse.



I clay everything that needs claying, though you need to be a little careful about marring rubber or other soft surfaces (including plastics). Don't use abrasive clay (or careless technique) on anything you don't want to mar up, err on the side of caution regarding materials other than paint, and you should be fine.
 
bonoz said:
Is it wrong to clay as I wash? Could you please elaborate? thanks.



Yes, it's 100% wrong to clay while you're washing your dirty car.

The loosened up dirt from the scrubbing step of your wash is still on the surface. This means as you clay, you scrub that dirt into your paint. Make sure your paint is totally scrubbed, flushed and rinsed of all all dirt before claying.
 
Well I guess your mileage may vary. Granted I havent done it with a traditional wash I see no problem doing it with a rinseless wash. If your doing it the rinseless way, your paint will be clean before the drying step anyways. There should be no dirt there to be ground into your paint with clay, as long as your washing correctly.



To say something is 100% incorrect is a strong statement. No surprise there though
 
Dsoto87 - You must of incorrectly assumed that the OP was using a waterless wash. He's not, so your waterless idea doesn't really apply in this application does it?



Back on topic, how would it ever be correct to clay a dirty car like the OP is asking? He's basically claying a dirty, unrinsed surface. If the dirt isn't wiped and flushed off the surface before claying, it will without a doubt get picked up with the clay bar. Doesn't sound like proper claying etiquette to me?
 
David Fermani- Heh heh, I just *had* to comment on your use of "scrubbing", "scrub", "scrubbed" in relation to washing...all in one post :nervous2:



Sorry, couldn't resist ;) New avatar huh? :xyxthumbs
 
I would definetly fully wash the car and rinse it before touching the paint with any clay. The last thing you want is the dirt and grit scratching your finish because you wanted a short-cut.

Claying windows is fine just be very careful with the trim and moldings, the clay can mark them up badly and ruin them if your careless.
 
Dsoto87 said:
You can clay as you wash. I use ONR and clay before I dry the panel.



Ofcourse you wouldnt want to clay a dirty panel, common sense. Wipe the panel down first with your wash mitt and than clay.



Sorry for ignorance. what is ONR?
 
Wash, then clay. I don't think you are saving any time doing it this way, in fact, I'd personally end up using more time. If you really want to clay as you wash, try TW ICE Liquid Clay. Its not a real substitute but it does a decent job of making the paint smooth and cuts down on any subsequent claying time.
 
Isn't TW ICE Liquid clay just a chemical paint cleaner?



I wonder what would happen if you added it to your car wash. That would either work awesomely, or not at all I think.
 
XRL said:
Isn't TW ICE Liquid clay just a chemical paint cleaner?



I wonder what would happen if you added it to your car wash. That would either work awesomely, or not at all I think.



Indeed it is. I doubt it would work diluted, however it appears the OP's goal is saving time. I don't clay anymore without using the liquid clay. I replace my normal wash with the clay wash and then do a quick claying (if still needed). After that a nice AIO like #66 or on to polishing.
 
OK, I've held my tongue regarding my claying opinion(s) for far too long, and I'm feeling chatty today, cause it's been a (insert Irish accent here) "GREAT day!" So for better or for worse, here's my take on claying.



It's a necessary evil. Sometimes, you get stuff stuck to your paint that just isn't gonna come off without either clay or an abrasive polish. Anyone that knows me around these parts knows that I like to remove stuff from paint using the very least amount of kinetic energy or friction possible. So I don't *like* to clay, but I do it cause occasionally it *must* be done. But my take is *only* do it when it *must* be done. If stuff is coming off your paint by using less kinetic energy, then use that instead of clay. No use in killing a fly with a sledgehammer, ya know?



OK, so there's that... clay only when needed. Then there's this (and I'm gonna get argued/flamed to no end for saying this, but that's 'aight): every time you use clay, you mar your paint. There, I said it. After holding my tongue forever to keep the argument and flames away, I finally said it. Every time you clay, you mar your paint. Wow, that's liberating to finally get off my chest!



You may not be able to see it, but the marring *is* there. Clay is an abrasive, and leaves abrasive scratches behind in your clear coat. And they build up, too. Just because you can't see them now, doesn't mean that you won't see them two clayings from now. I get so OCD about finding marring that it is really kinda stupid, but I can say with 100% confidence that if you are using clay hard enough to remove contaminants that won't come off with other means (and why else would you be using it???) that you are marring the paint. Yup, that abrasive clay is leaving abrasive scratch marks behind in your paint.



And to those that say (sorry, Accumulator, I think I might actually be disagreeing with you on this point! :) ) you can clay gently enough to leave your LSP intact, I say you aren't claying, then, because if you are using clay to remove contaminants you can't otherwise get off, you are rubbing more than hard enough to remove even the toughest LSP. Think about it.... you have stuff *so* stuck to your paint, you gotta rub it with clay. Do you think your LSP is bonded any harder to your paint than the stuff you're trying to get off by rubbing it with clay? IMO.... don't think so.



So what's a guy to do? You *gotta* use clay sometimes. It's a matter of damage mitigation; you're *going* to induce marring by claying, so do so in a manner that results in minimal marring for any given amount of contaminant removal.



This is where I stray yet again (and am gonna hear about it! :) ) from the "clay is clay" people. You don't use 150 grit sand paper to remove a scuff mark on a wood floor. So don't use harsh clay to remove bug gunk. IMO, using a good, quality clay pays off; for any given degree of contaminant removal, a good clay instills less marring. My all-time favorite clays, capable of really good removal for minimal marring are Sonus Green and Ricardo (you lucky Canadians). *Especially* the Ricardo. Today I had to *really* give my eyes a beating in the sun, trying to see the marring from claying with Ricardo. Yup, I found it, but it was the lightest marring I've seen, especially with how nasty the stuff was I was removing (very nasty hard water spots).



Wow, there's a lot of controversial stuff I said in this post... you guys take it easy on ole Supe in the responses, k? I'm in my heart attack years, remember. :)



I wonder how many posts it'll take before: 1. Someone *swears* they can clay without *any* marring, and 2. swears they have clayed two year old tar off their car without removing *any* LSP at all? ;) I'm gonna guess and say two...



Said in jest, honestly... you guys know I love it when you abuse me/refute/argue/flame. I live for it. It's like crack to me.:xyxthumbs
 
I use to think I wasn't creating marring with clay until I looked at my paint in Florida sun light. There's no hiding anything down here. I also use to think nubas lasted. I'm with ya Supe in the way that ANYTIME you touch your paint you marr it - even when you're using a non-abrasive pad/polish. Seeing that you're providing us with your candid thoughts, what's your take on ONR? Think it marrs?
 
Whatever man.. I swear I can clay without marring and yesterday I took off 2 year old tar with my LSP IN TACT. It beads so tight!







nah... I agree with what you said. It seems to make the most sense. Logically that was my foundation as well, but I really never have done any quality tests so my opinion was only theoretical...
 
David Fermani said:
I use to think I wasn't creating marring with clay until I looked at my paint in Florida sun light. There's no hiding anything down here. I also use to think nubas lasted. I'm with ya Supe in the way that ANYTIME you touch your paint you marr it - even when you're using a non-abrasive pad/polish. Seeing that you're providing us with your candid thoughts, what's your take on ONR? Think it marrs?



Yup, I do. But it is capable of amazing things for what very little marring I do get with it. I get far, far less marring with ONR than I do with a traditional bucket and mitt wash, that's for sure. And if I'm able to get down to very, very fine particulates left on the paint (if there's anything left after touchless and BHB), I'm able to ONR it off with just the faintest of marring.



I've posted a few, "I know it's just me, but I'm getting marring from ONR" posts before, in which I've blamed myself for the marring that I'm getting. And it was true; a lot of the marring *was* from the way I was using it. My current method, which is pre-spraying each panel with ONR, then a double soaking with a Eurow shag MF towel still results in very, very light marring, but much less so than what I was getting with sponges and no pre-spray. In most cases, I'm only able to see the marring from one of my five different light sources, it's that light. Pretty amazing, really, when you consider what ONR is dong.



But to honestly answer your question... yeah, it does mar, IMO. But an important qualifier: it's worth the very slight amount of marring it does cause.



It's also about the best clay lube out there.
 
I say claying mars the paint too. It's not as if the dirt gets sucked into the clay,

it sticks to the surface, and you just keep rubbing back and forth with it. Hm...
 
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