Claying as you wash

JaredPointer

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To save a little time when doing a full detail, I like to wash & clay at the same time. I know it's not for everyone, but it's a nice (and inexpensive) way to help yourself be more efficient when detailing. This is a quick little line or two for claying while you wash that works for me. It is by no means the only way to clay, and I am taking into account that whoever reads this already knows a little about claying.

1) After mixing your wash solution and making all the necessary preparations for the wash, begin to wash a panel as you normally would. Use light, non-circular motions on the panel.

2) With the panel now clean and still "sudsy" take your piece of clay and gently rub it over the finish in light back and forth motions. The car wash that is on the panel will act as a very good lubricant. Don't be afraid to add a little more "suds" to the finish - it's better, IMO, to have too much lube instead of not enough.

3) After you have finished claying the panel, rinse the soapy water off. The surface should be clean and smooth.

4) Continue to wash & clay the entire car this way until you are finished.

This will add a few extra minutes to your wash overall, so you want to be sure and keep the vehicle rinsed to avoid water spotting. Try and wash out of the sun (i.e. in the shade, under a canopy) to keep the suds and water from drying on your paint.

Doing it this way has saved me some time in the past, and I feel that it saves me from having to repeat the wash process a second time. It also saves clay lube for later QDing use. I know it may sound kind of "hokey" to do it this way at first (like I thought it was when I first read about it), but after doing it this way, I don't think I will be going back. Hope this helps someone!! :)

Some other points to make about claying in general:
  • Always replace clay with a new piece if you drop it on the ground.
  • Cut the large clay bar up into several smaller pieces. This will save you the grief of having to chunk a whole bar. I learned the hard way.
  • Constantly knead your clay to keep contaminants away from the vehicle finish.
  • On heavily tarred or contaminated areas, you may want to pre-clay before you begin the wash with one piece of clay, then grab a new piece when you begin the wash.
 
Another excellent "How To" Jarred... and one I was going to do! :D

Anyhow, my "Clay as you wash" is a bit different than yours. I like to completely wash the vehicle and dry with the a QD or QD/Waterless Wash mix and then do the "Clay as you wash" separately. This insures that the surface is perfectly clean. However, if your method is done carefully as you suggest, it will work just fine... and is definitely quicker.
 
Interesting idea. There is a problem to having too much lube, though. The clay can saturate with the lube and become useless if you are using too much. Get too much soap in the clay and it will turn to putty instead of clay. I'd be interested to know how much time you save by doing it this way. I'm all for time savers, but I'm really opposed to 'short cuts' that sacrifice quality in the name of saving time. If this really does save time and doesn't sacrifice quality, then it might be a worthwhile technique to learn.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Interesting idea. There is a problem to having too much lube, though. The clay can saturate with the lube and become useless if you are using too much. Get too much soap in the clay and it will turn to putty instead of clay. I'd be interested to know how much time you save by doing it this way. I'm all for time savers, but I'm really opposed to 'short cuts' that sacrifice quality in the name of saving time. If this really does save time and doesn't sacrifice quality, then it might be a worthwhile technique to learn.

To answer the question, it saves me probably 45 minutes to an hour (I am very meticulous when washing). If I did the whole wash - clay - wash that is, IMO, too oft suggested, that's about how much time it would take on a normal sized vehicle. I have been doing it this way for a little while now, and when I dry the vehicle, I don't notice any marring that wasn't there to begin with. Needless to say, I will almost always be following this step with a polish (usually several). When it comes to a full detail, saving an hour is a big plus in my book. Also, FWIW, the clay does it's job when I do it this way gauging by the turn in color and the added slickness to the finish.

Thanks for the tips as well - there's always room for refining a process. :)
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Interesting idea. There is a problem to having too much lube, though. The clay can saturate with the lube and become useless if you are using too much. Get too much soap in the clay and it will turn to putty instead of clay. I'd be interested to know how much time you save by doing it this way. I'm all for time savers, but I'm really opposed to 'short cuts' that sacrifice quality in the name of saving time. If this really does save time and doesn't sacrifice quality, then it might be a worthwhile technique to learn.
Good point Jngrbrdman! I don't know about Jarred, but I only use the "Clay as you Wash" for touch up clayings. Also, I tend to use a car wash that has slightly less lubricating ability.
 
It takes me 15 minutes to wash and rinse a car. A few swipes with the CWB and I don't need to worry too much about drying. I use the rinse water to assist in lubrication. It takes an hour tops to clay the entire vehicle for me. The only time it takes longer is if its a big SUV and the roof is hard to do. This is an acceptable amount of time to take on the job. The main reason I don't know that I'd use this technique is because I do my claying indoors. I don't mind washing outside, but when it comes to clay (especially this time of year when there is so much pollen in the air) I don't think its a good idea to clay outside. That's just my personal situation though. I washed my car last week and within 10 minutes it was covered in pollen. Claying outside just isn't an option that settles well with me. If it truely does save you time and its safe for you to do, then I say go for it. :bigups Congrats for finding a way to save yourself a big chunk of time. I bill out by the hour, but saving time means more time for more cars and more $$$. Its always a good idea to evaluate your methods and see where efficiencies can be gained.
 
I'm not sure what effect car wash , both in general and specifc types may have on the clay so I "play it safe" by using a QD. A good slick QD seems to lubricate better than car wash, at least without running it over the finish via foam gun, without the possiblity of the clay breaking down or turining into putty as mentioned above.

I'd park the car on a new,clean tarps whether claying inside or out in effort to salvage it if you drop it. This setup isn't necessarily time conserving though.
 
Nice writeup Jared! That'll be helpful to alot of people. I always clay after washing and drying with a QD as lube, typically Megs FI. Like Jngrbrdman said with QD you dont over lubricate the surface and I get better results that way, but to each their own. I never really understood the second wash though, I never had a problem with clay being stuck to the surface or anything like that which would warrant a second washing. Often times I see people wash a second time (or plan to) and then break out a decently aggressive polish after washing again, isnt the wash an unnecessary step if you are going to polish? A polish decently aggressive like SSR2.5, DACP, or even IP will safely remove any light patches of residue unless there are actual chucks of clay left around, which I have never seen.

Sorry for the long comment but the second washing is just one of those things I can never undertand; along with things like why people have a hard time spelling Meguiar's and Souveran??
 
I've tried both ways and can never decide which I like better.

I clayed as I washed last week using a Mothers bar and NXT wash. I had great results and it took far less time than doing it seperate. I did, at times, feel as though there was too much lubricity. They claybar was turning colors and was doing its job, but not as efficiently as it could.

When I was, QD/Clay, Wash I feel like I have a little more control over the process. I tend to go slower and I know the vehicle is really getting a good "claying"

I find myself doing the second method when I havent clayed in a long time or If I'm doing a vehicle that is never clayed. To each his/her own, I still switch it up all the time!

Mike
 
I don't understand the method...If you don't rinse the car off first after the washing of the panel then there is still some dirt particles that are mixed in with the suds that is still on the car that you are using as your lube. Seems to me these particles will get in the clay and cause marring and possibly a serious scrath if particles are big enough. JMO of course...
 
I've tried both ways and I find that since I QD while I dry I just put my claying step there. It saves time, I don't have to worry about water spotting, and it fits perfectly into my normal routine. I got the idea from the Adam's detailing video, since QD's don't dry very fast you can do an entire panel and then wipe it off to reveal a clean, glossy finish.
 
I clay during a wash all the time, but the washing part must be done first.

Wash the panel & rinse, if claying is needed then do so. Go over the clayed portion of the panel with your soapy wash mitt & rinse again.

I would never clay with soapy wash water before the actually washing takes place, claying is done after washing.
 
MS22 said:
Nice writeup Jared! That'll be helpful to alot of people. I always clay after washing and drying with a QD as lube, typically Megs FI. Like Jngrbrdman said with QD you dont over lubricate the surface and I get better results that way, but to each their own. I never really understood the second wash though, I never had a problem with clay being stuck to the surface or anything like that which would warrant a second washing. Often times I see people wash a second time (or plan to) and then break out a decently aggressive polish after washing again, isnt the wash an unnecessary step if you are going to polish? A polish decently aggressive like SSR2.5, DACP, or even IP will safely remove any light patches of residue unless there are actual chucks of clay left around, which I have never seen.

Sorry for the long comment but the second washing is just one of those things I can never undertand; along with things like why people have a hard time spelling Meguiar's and Souveran??

Pleese fourgive our sppeling. Wi are nott biochemists! :chill
 
I wash, then rinse, then with QD and clay I begin the process. It takes me 1 hour to do this process. Very efficient! Some Clay Bars react differently to certain washes, so be careful
 
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