Clay -> AIO -> Polish -> Wax ?????
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Jngrbrdman
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AIO is a paint cleaner and won't do much for swirls. AIO first and then cut the swirls next with a polish. #7 is just a glaze that doesn't cut swirls. Of course, if swirls aren't the problem then you could go AIO, #7 and then S100. Personally I wouldn't put S100 on top of #7. I think #7 looks best all by itself and topping it just takes away from the look. That's just me though. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
bimmerzhp
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If you are going to use #7 I would use it after AIO. AIO will remove #7. #7 does not have any other benefits other than placing oils on the paint paint for a wet look.
Jngrbrdman
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Yeah, its pretty hard to remove swirls by hand. #7 will fill alot of swirls with the oils, but for removal you'll need to wait till you get the PC. DACP does a great job at swirl removal.
SilverLexus
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The best process for AIO usage is:
WASH> CLAY> WASH> HEAVY POLISH> LIGHT POLISH> AIO> WAX or SEALANT
Only use a heavy polish if you need to.
WASH> CLAY> WASH> HEAVY POLISH> LIGHT POLISH> AIO> WAX or SEALANT
Only use a heavy polish if you need to.
Lowejackson
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I would try something like #80 before DACP
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Yeah, I second the #80 recommendation. It will leave a finish similar to that of #7 but with some mechanical marring removal too. Don't follow #80 with AIO, the AIO will strip the #80's fillers/oils. Just top it with wax.
FWIW, the #80 isn't all *that* tough to use by hand. Just work it until it turns clear (or sometimes pink). At that point it will wipe off easily.
FWIW, the #80 isn't all *that* tough to use by hand. Just work it until it turns clear (or sometimes pink). At that point it will wipe off easily.
If I use clay>Griots Machine Polish #3>AIO, should I use #7 next and should I then use SG and Carnuba after that? This would be for a show car that is always garaged and never sees rain. It is painted with Glassurat (sp) light blue metallic and clearcoat. I am looking for a brilliant shine!
togwt
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If I use clay>Griots Machine Polish #3>AIO, should I use #7 next and should I then use SG and Carnuba after that? This would be for a show car that is always garaged and never sees rain. It is painted with Glassurat (sp) light blue metallic and clearcoat. I am looking for a brilliant shine!
Sequence of Product Application:
Paint surfaces-
1.Car wash concentrate-
2.Detailerâ€â„¢s clay- Clay
3.Machine polish 1-
4.Machine polish 2-
5.Machine polish 3- Groitâ€â„¢s Machine Polish
6.Chemical cleaner-
7.Polymer sealant- Klasse Sealant Glaze
8.Glaze- Meguiarâ€â„¢s #7 (* see note 3)
9.Carnauba wax-
10.Spray (Booster) wax-
11.Quick detailer-
Notes:
1. As long as you have an understanding of what each step does you can alter the sequence or omit steps in the sequence to suit paints condition / needs
2. You cannot apply a polymer over a Glaze or a Carnauba wax due to bonding incompatibility
3. A polish that contains oils should be cleaned with a 1:1 solution of Isopropyl alcohol / distilled water before the application of a polymer
4. Bonding -Carnauba wax will bond to a cross-linked polymer; conversely if a polymer is applied on top of Carnauba wax the cross-linking / bonding may be compromised. Although I would not state categorically that a product that is formulated with oils will abort the cross-linking or bonding process of a polymer just that the process may not be as complete, and its strength and durability maybe affected
JonM
If I use clay>Griots Machine Polish #3>AIO, should I use #7 next and should I then use SG and Carnuba after that? This would be for a show car that is always garaged and never sees rain. It is painted with Glassurat (sp) light blue metallic and clearcoat. I am looking for a brilliant shine!
Sequence of Product Application:
Paint surfaces-
1.Car wash concentrate-
2.Detailerâ€â„¢s clay- Clay
3.Machine polish 1-
4.Machine polish 2-
5.Machine polish 3- Groitâ€â„¢s Machine Polish
6.Chemical cleaner-
7.Polymer sealant- Klasse Sealant Glaze
8.Glaze- Meguiarâ€â„¢s #7 (* see note 3)
9.Carnauba wax-
10.Spray (Booster) wax-
11.Quick detailer-
Notes:
1. As long as you have an understanding of what each step does you can alter the sequence or omit steps in the sequence to suit paints condition / needs
2. You cannot apply a polymer over a Glaze or a Carnauba wax due to bonding incompatibility
3. A polish that contains oils should be cleaned with a 1:1 solution of Isopropyl alcohol / distilled water before the application of a polymer
4. Bonding -Carnauba wax will bond to a cross-linked polymer; conversely if a polymer is applied on top of Carnauba wax the cross-linking / bonding may be compromised. Although I would not state categorically that a product that is formulated with oils will abort the cross-linking or bonding process of a polymer just that the process may not be as complete, and its strength and durability maybe affected
JonM
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57_300SL - The Meg's #7 is simply incompatible with the Klasse twins. If you want to use #7, don't use Klasse. If you want to use Klasse, don't use #7.
They are two different approaches. The #7 will deposit oils on the finish, making it look good. It will also fill the "micro fissures" in the paint with its fillers, which adds to the good looks. You would then seal these oils and fillers in by applying something like a carnauba wax. Gotta use something that will work over the #7, and many products won't (carnaubas are the "safe" approach that *will* work well).
The Klasse twins work differently. The AIO will clean the paint (removing anything like #7 that's on the paint) and the SG will seal it, bonding to the AIO. The SG would *not* bond to the oily #7. Putting #7 over the SG wouldn't be a good idea either as a) the #7 would probably just smear, not bonding to the SG and b) the solvents/oils in the #7 could compromise the SG.
Note that the stuff in the Klasse twins won't do the same "concealing" of imperfections that products such as #7 can do. I don't use Klasse unless I'm working on a car with a basically flawless finish. On an imperfect finish, I'd rather use fillers/glazes/wax. The Griot's #3->#7->carnauba approach would work well for a showcar. Some people would simply apply the #7 regularly, skipping the wax altogether, but I'd apply the wax. Actually, for your Glasurit, I'd use either Meg's #5 or their #81, or #3 instead of the #7. I prefer to use #7 on single-stage, where it can better soak in. For basecoat/clear paint I like the others, which "dry" more completely and might even adhere to the b/c paint better.
ktlimq- The above also applies to your ideas about Meg's "pure polishes" in general (#3/#5/#7/#81). About the only "cleaner wax" I can think of that won't simply remove these pure polishes is Meg's NXT. And I don't know that from first hand experience, I'm just going by what Mike Phillips has said. Generally, whenever I follow a Meg's "trade secret oils" product with anything that cleans, it strips the Meg's stuff right off, making it a wasted step (and making a lot of fine marring "come back").
Oh, and the "nourishes paint" thing works a *LOT* better with older technology paints than it does with today's basecoat/clear paints. Today's paints don't absorb oils/etc. the way older paint did. "Old-school" lacquer would absorb #7 like a sponge, but #7 basically just sits on top of today's paint. Today's clear doesn't so much need "nourishment", rather it needs *protection*.
They are two different approaches. The #7 will deposit oils on the finish, making it look good. It will also fill the "micro fissures" in the paint with its fillers, which adds to the good looks. You would then seal these oils and fillers in by applying something like a carnauba wax. Gotta use something that will work over the #7, and many products won't (carnaubas are the "safe" approach that *will* work well).
The Klasse twins work differently. The AIO will clean the paint (removing anything like #7 that's on the paint) and the SG will seal it, bonding to the AIO. The SG would *not* bond to the oily #7. Putting #7 over the SG wouldn't be a good idea either as a) the #7 would probably just smear, not bonding to the SG and b) the solvents/oils in the #7 could compromise the SG.
Note that the stuff in the Klasse twins won't do the same "concealing" of imperfections that products such as #7 can do. I don't use Klasse unless I'm working on a car with a basically flawless finish. On an imperfect finish, I'd rather use fillers/glazes/wax. The Griot's #3->#7->carnauba approach would work well for a showcar. Some people would simply apply the #7 regularly, skipping the wax altogether, but I'd apply the wax. Actually, for your Glasurit, I'd use either Meg's #5 or their #81, or #3 instead of the #7. I prefer to use #7 on single-stage, where it can better soak in. For basecoat/clear paint I like the others, which "dry" more completely and might even adhere to the b/c paint better.
ktlimq- The above also applies to your ideas about Meg's "pure polishes" in general (#3/#5/#7/#81). About the only "cleaner wax" I can think of that won't simply remove these pure polishes is Meg's NXT. And I don't know that from first hand experience, I'm just going by what Mike Phillips has said. Generally, whenever I follow a Meg's "trade secret oils" product with anything that cleans, it strips the Meg's stuff right off, making it a wasted step (and making a lot of fine marring "come back").
Oh, and the "nourishes paint" thing works a *LOT* better with older technology paints than it does with today's basecoat/clear paints. Today's paints don't absorb oils/etc. the way older paint did. "Old-school" lacquer would absorb #7 like a sponge, but #7 basically just sits on top of today's paint. Today's clear doesn't so much need "nourishment", rather it needs *protection*.
Thank you very much for the input! TOGWT, When you say in step 6. Chemical Cleaner, do you mean AIO or what would you recommend? Accumulator, the finish is basically flawless. For a brighter sparkle and deeper shine, would you suggest Klasse twins or use fillers/glazes/wax. Thanks.
Jngrbrdman
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AIO is a great example of a chemical cleaner. :bigups