I bought a new Jeep today and was offered a treatment for my Jeep that "Permenantly seals in my clearcoat." They guarantee it for 5 years and claim it doesn't just sit on top of the paint. What on earth could this be? I can't imagine anything lasting that long unless it was another layer of clearcoat!
chrysler dealer: "5 year paint sealant"?
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imported_edschwab1
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Anthony O.
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colinc,
No such thing! Read the guarantee and you will most likely see where it states that it will last for 5 years as long as you re-apply a rejuvinator every 90 days or so. Miss an application and the warranty is null and void.
Some folks, especially Autopians, clean and wax/seal their cars every 90 days, or sooner, so what's the difference? Well the difference usually is the extra $ you paid for the sealant that you could of saved and bought some nice products for perhaps half the cost and did it yourself.
The only true "paint (pigmented paint) sealant" is the clear coat on your finish and even that needs to be cared for.
Anthony
No such thing! Read the guarantee and you will most likely see where it states that it will last for 5 years as long as you re-apply a rejuvinator every 90 days or so. Miss an application and the warranty is null and void.
Some folks, especially Autopians, clean and wax/seal their cars every 90 days, or sooner, so what's the difference? Well the difference usually is the extra $ you paid for the sealant that you could of saved and bought some nice products for perhaps half the cost and did it yourself.
The only true "paint (pigmented paint) sealant" is the clear coat on your finish and even that needs to be cared for.
Anthony
When I was reading back in posts a while ago, there was a topic on this issue. The advice from one forum member was to read the contract thoroughly, and like what you read, do it, BUT REMEMBER WHAT YOU SIGNED TO! They make it sound really good [like scratch/chip protection, ect...], then pray that you will forget it after a while and that you don't come back to redeem upon it.
I believe that any of those sealants are no better than an autopian sealant.
So if you enjoy spending the time with your car, do the work yourself and save some money!
And Anthony Orosco is right, there is no such thing as a sealant that will last 5 years of regular use.
I believe that any of those sealants are no better than an autopian sealant.
So if you enjoy spending the time with your car, do the work yourself and save some money!
And Anthony Orosco is right, there is no such thing as a sealant that will last 5 years of regular use.
HilfigerCelica
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Just out of curiosity, how much is the sealant?
This is a joke! My experience with the sealers used at ALL dealers are jusat a poly/synthetic blend that is bought from the back of any truck. It is just labeled and boxed by a different company and available to dealers ONLY to make them $. i belive my dealer charged $500 for the application. Oh and did I mention you get a warranty
I belive the exact words out of my bosss mouth on this extra service were "It's not even worth it" but the customer still pays out the a$$ because he doesn't know any better.
Ryan
I belive the exact words out of my bosss mouth on this extra service were "It's not even worth it" but the customer still pays out the a$$ because he doesn't know any better.
Ryan
huangdong28
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A reliable source (relative who has been a service manager at various dealerships) told me that the best one was the Big-3 dealer that used Future acrylic floorwax.
That's why we stopped selling it, Ryan. We asked ourselves, was it something that benefitted both parties? The answer was "no", so we still apply the product (it's a good protectant), but we don't charge anything. We do it for ourselves, to protect the inventory from acid rain damage. We haven't sold "paint sealant" for 6 or 7 years.
I once took a job selling "blank" automobiles and one of the conditions was that they promised they would not sell this kind of junk. After a month, I was really enjoying the job and doing well when they announced to all the sales people that they had in fact aready been selling a sealant package to the customer once they got them in the "closing room". The package was an obvious scam, requiring a $100 touch up once a year (which was simply a re-application of the product that cost the dealer about $10). They said they had been secretly selling the sealant just to prove to the sales staff that people would buy it if offered. Directly after the meeting I went into the managers office, told them what scum they were, and left. Haven't looked back since.
Mike_Phillips
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One of my accounts back in Oregon was a Lexus dealership. They sold a popular paint sealant program to their customers for either $500.00 or $600.00, and I pretty sure it was the higher of the two.
Down in the detailing bay, (this place was built on a hill, and the detailing bay was down a really steep hill on the lot), I talked to the head detailer about the paint sealant program the salespeople sold the customers.
He said, (quote) "I hate it"
He told me the salespeople would razzle-dazzle the customers into buying this miracle product, which he would then apply to the vehicle, and typically, within 30 days, the customers would bring the car back complaining the wax didn't last and the car no longer looks good.
This detailer, (can't remember his name), would then re-polish the car and apply a coat of the regular wax they use when they detail cars.
He found the entire thing completely frustrating.
He is what I would call a "Professional". He judges a product by it’s performance, not the label or hype surrounding the product. He had been buffing/detailing cars for 17 years, (this was two years ago he told me this). He took his craft seriously and despised the salespeople for the gimmickry they used to make big bucks, while he cleaned up their mess after the fact, day-in, day-out.
I was surprised at how much money they were charging for an application of an obviously inferior product?
It kind of reinforces to me that in some cases, the more money a person has, the less able they are to make good value judgments.
In other words, because it cost more... it must be worth more...
Mike
Down in the detailing bay, (this place was built on a hill, and the detailing bay was down a really steep hill on the lot), I talked to the head detailer about the paint sealant program the salespeople sold the customers.
He said, (quote) "I hate it"
He told me the salespeople would razzle-dazzle the customers into buying this miracle product, which he would then apply to the vehicle, and typically, within 30 days, the customers would bring the car back complaining the wax didn't last and the car no longer looks good.
This detailer, (can't remember his name), would then re-polish the car and apply a coat of the regular wax they use when they detail cars.
He found the entire thing completely frustrating.
He is what I would call a "Professional". He judges a product by it’s performance, not the label or hype surrounding the product. He had been buffing/detailing cars for 17 years, (this was two years ago he told me this). He took his craft seriously and despised the salespeople for the gimmickry they used to make big bucks, while he cleaned up their mess after the fact, day-in, day-out.
I was surprised at how much money they were charging for an application of an obviously inferior product?
It kind of reinforces to me that in some cases, the more money a person has, the less able they are to make good value judgments.
In other words, because it cost more... it must be worth more...
Mike
godofthunder
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ive seen that too! Theres a local company that seemed to make their stuff. They bought a 2003 Dodge Intrepid, and told them all this stuff.
Included, was this Sealant rejouvanator. You have to apply it every so often. I laughed when they showeed it to me. That thing is almost 2 years old now, and hasnt had a coat of wax on yet!
My 96 Cutlass Supreme looks 10x better!
jon
Included, was this Sealant rejouvanator. You have to apply it every so often. I laughed when they showeed it to me. That thing is almost 2 years old now, and hasnt had a coat of wax on yet!
My 96 Cutlass Supreme looks 10x better!
jon
I have a couple 2oz sample bottles of "ResistAll" marketed as "A Touch of Class", if anyone wants to try a sample of 5 year paint sealant, PM me an address to send one.
My evaluation, after looking at it on thousands of cars every year, for 10 years: nothing remarkable in the "shine" department, but it's the best at resisting acid rain of anything I've ever seen.
Tom
My evaluation, after looking at it on thousands of cars every year, for 10 years: nothing remarkable in the "shine" department, but it's the best at resisting acid rain of anything I've ever seen.
Tom
SuperBuick
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Jon, didn't know you were over here :-D
godofthunder
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hah! i didnt know you were here either! From reading what you used on w-body.com, it sounded a lot like you had been here before .
you should show these guys those cars (if you havent yet).
jon
.you should show these guys those cars (if you havent yet).
jon
The last Subaru we bought, and I mean the LAST, the dealer was offering a sealant, 5 yrs I believe, by Simonize and backed by an insurance policy.
No applications after the initial, except for body damage, and acid rain damage WAS covered, as was fading. No small print of any significance, we did not opt for it, I enjoy taking care of our vehicles, but it was a very, very interesting offering.
No applications after the initial, except for body damage, and acid rain damage WAS covered, as was fading. No small print of any significance, we did not opt for it, I enjoy taking care of our vehicles, but it was a very, very interesting offering.
The warranty is the entire value of the product. If you applied nothing to the car, but offered to warrant it for the life of the loan (say, 5 years) against environmental damage, what would that be worth to you? What if you were leasing, and had the fear of lease-end charges?
Different people will answer that question differently. If the product is offered at a price of $300, in a 5 year payment that's the difference between say, $321 and $327.
I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that there's another way of looking at it.
Tom
Different people will answer that question differently. If the product is offered at a price of $300, in a 5 year payment that's the difference between say, $321 and $327.
I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that there's another way of looking at it.
Tom