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So what do you think about these pad designs is it the perfect pad?

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twisted007 said:
I think they funny looking but i hear they work great anyone else use these.



so what do you think good or bad?



I think if it does what it says might just be the perfect pad lol.



The drawback is that it doesn't look like these would work with a DA.



YouTube - DRC1000 Centrifugal Buffing Pad
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I would say that it makes a LOT of sense! The video demonstration is pretty convincing.



Funny, I was just thinking of how much difference there is between the center of the pad and the outer edges when I polished my SS paint a couple weeks ago.



I'm interested in these. Anyone use them?
 
I can't tell you how many times I pull a pad and get a new one because of that exact reason they demonstrate in the video. I think these might be worth checking out.
 
gotta say I'm with Bary on this one. I pull pads all the time because of saturated centers. they just lose their cut. this is very interesting and I would love for someone else to be the first to buy them....but my "buy now" clicker is beggin to be depressed.
 
I dont know what others are experiencing but I never get a polish build up in the middle of the pad like that. Never. I think these pads, while interesting are designed(from a marketing perspective) to take advantage of some people who have not yet tightened down their polishing application and end up using too much product to begin with coupled with poor placement that results in consistent middle pad loadup.
 
getcha said:
I dont know what others are experiencing but I never get a polish build up in the middle of the pad like that. Never. I think these pads, while interesting are designed(from a marketing perspective) to take advantage of some people who have not yet tightened down their polishing application and end up using too much product to begin with coupled with poor placement that results in consistent middle pad loadup.
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I'm with you bro. While its a great idea, there are little things that bug me about it. The first is that I usually only put polishing compounds on the middle of the pad when originally priming it for use. After that, everything is applied closer to the outer edges.

Smearing? Seriously? Are people really having problems with smearing? After working an area you'll need to wipe it off regardless of what type of pad you use. This one or anything else.

The outer 2/3rds of a pad are the most used because they're spinning the fastest and create the most amount of heat while the inside ring is moving much slower in comparison and stays quite cool.



I'm interested in these pads regardless of these things. Any improvement is still an improvement, and its always good to have a variety of tools as you never know what new challenges the next job brings. Overall, I prefer flat pads, and the 6 inch DRC1k's are looking kinda nice
 
MuttGrunt said:
I'm with you bro. While its a great idea, there are little things that bug me about it. The first is that I usually only put polishing compounds on the middle of the pad when originally priming it for use. After that, everything is applied closer to the outer edges.
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But it doesn't matter how far near the edge you put it. Once you crank up the RPM's to 1700, that polish/compound starts to move center.Even if you use the lift-style of handling, the polish/compound will move inward. Even if you spread it well, the foam cells will lift up the product and as it spin, it will pass through open cells inward.



Its not to say all of your product will, but excess will...as in those who practice the KBM. So, Getcha, I'd be careful who you categorize as not having their technique dialed in.



I would def. like to see these pads in actual action by one of us before I make my decision. But the basic principle addressed is a rock solid one. How it may impact actual results is I guess what is still tp be determined.
 
MuttGrunt said:
I'm with you bro. While its a great idea, there are little things that bug me about it. The first is that I usually only put polishing compounds on the middle of the pad when originally priming it for use. After that, everything is applied closer to the outer edges.

Smearing? Seriously? Are people really having problems with smearing? After working an area you'll need to wipe it off regardless of what type of pad you use. This one or anything else.

The outer 2/3rds of a pad are the most used because they're spinning the fastest and create the most amount of heat while the inside ring is moving much slower in comparison and stays quite cool.



I'm interested in these pads regardless of these things. Any improvement is still an improvement, and its always good to have a variety of tools as you never know what new challenges the next job brings. Overall, I prefer flat pads, and the 6 inch DRC1k's are looking kinda nice
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Regardless or not where you place your compound or polish it always migrates to the center of the pad. I place 3 to for small pea size dots around the edge of a pad when using a rotory and it always migrates to the center. Its just gonna happen. . I think the big thing on these pads are the fact that it throws the chemical back out to the outer edge. I have to order them now just to try them lol. :hifive:
 
D Tailor said:
. So, Getcha, I'd be careful who you categorize as not having their technique dialed in.
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Mine migrates to the center as well, maybe I need some polishing lessons here. I agree David!! :bigups
 
Why would compound be thrown to the inside of a pad when the speed is increased? Which way does fling go?



I think the compound just doesn't get dried out and used up from movement and heat at the center of the pads because there's less and less movement between the pad and the paint as you move toward the center. In fact, at the center, the only movement is from the machine being moved, not from the spin.



I don't see a downside to these pads unless they cost more or if that inside part can hit the paint without having polish on it - dry pad scuff. On a true dual action machine like the BO6040 there's no build up in the center of the pad. On my high speed the amount of polish left in the center isn't much but I only use wool pads on that machine. Still, since I don't see a down side to the center being taken out of a foam pad if you do use a foam pad on your rotary. Like I said, I don't, but it's nice to see people trying to be innovative.



Robert
 
It is like this the center has open force an all the gravity with the cone shape center hence the reason it throws the product back toward the edges very smart idea.



it is like going on the graviton carnival ride you go in this big circle ship that spins guy who runs it sits in the middle everyone else gets sucked to the wall when spins but aslong as he stays in the center like the spindle on a buffer he don't move but once he goes a little off side boom he gets pulled to the walls same concept as these pads an buffer do with product very very smart idea.



An since i have over 21yrs on a buffer an grinder i need lessons to where do i sign up.:buffing::2thumbs::buffing:
 
bufferbarry said:
Regardless or not where you place your compound or polish it always migrates to the center of the pad. I place 3 to for small pea size dots around the edge of a pad when using a rotory and it always migrates to the center. Its just gonna happen. . I think the big thing on these pads are the fact that it throws the chemical back out to the outer edge. I have to order them now just to try them lol. :hifive:
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Excellent. I will definitely be watching for your thread after you have had a chance to try these out!
 
twisted007 said:
It is like this the center has open force an all the gravity with the cone shape center hence the reason it throws the product back toward the edges very smart idea.



it is like going on the graviton carnival ride you go in this big circle ship that spins guy who runs it sits in the middle everyone else gets sucked to the wall when spins but aslong as he stays in the center like the spindle on a buffer he don't move but once he goes a little off side boom he gets pulled to the walls same concept as these pads an buffer do with product very very smart idea.



An since i have over 21yrs on a buffer an grinder i need lessons to where do i sign up.:buffing::2thumbs::buffing:
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The guy who stays in the center of the graviton has to get there on his own power, he has to overcome centrifugal force until he gets to the center. Polish doesn't move on its own. Polish gets moved to the center of the pad as we pick it up and as we move over the residue polish with the center of the pad. Then it stays there because there's not enough centrifugal force to move it out to the edge and not enough movement between the pad and the paint to use it up, hence, wasted polish. The hole in the center, no doubt, makes for more efficient use of the polish.



While that's a clear advantage, there are other variables. What's the quality of the foam? How well does the attaching pad work? Is that pad secure enough to the foam to last the life of the pad? Are the pads manufactured so they center easily and don't wobble?



These pads may be great but the hole in center may or may not be enough to move them to the top of the heap.





Finally, no matter how long we polish and run grinders, physics is still going to be what defines reality.



Robert
 
D Tailor said:
But it doesn't matter how far near the edge you put it. Once you crank up the RPM's to 1700, that polish/compound starts to move center.Even if you use the lift-style of handling, the polish/compound will move inward. Even if you spread it well, the foam cells will lift up the product and as it spin, it will pass through open cells inward.



Its not to say all of your product will, but excess will...as in those who practice the KBM. So, Getcha, I'd be careful who you categorize as not having their technique dialed in.



I would def. like to see these pads in actual action by one of us before I make my decision. But the basic principle addressed is a rock solid one. How it may impact actual results is I guess what is still tp be determined.
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As I originally stated - its a good idea and I believe any improvement, regardless of how small, is still an improvement.



Polish does NOT migrate to the middle of the pad. I don't care what you or anyone else try to report. Centrifugal force pushes product to the outside edges of the pad regardless if you're using wool, foam, or these new cool pads. Now I realize that centrifugal force isn't linear, but rather exponential as you move closer to the outside edge of the pads, but regardless the physics of the situation show that the "migration" or "build-up" isn't quite as they try to make it to be in the video. The reason there seems to be more build-up in the center is because any product that gets to that area (like when smearing compounds across a panel / spreading across a panel at a slow speed) is not going to get the same amount of speed+heat as the portions on the outer edge, and therefor doesn't break down. Keeping on the idea of heat and the speed of the pad: because the outside 2/3rds of the pad are the potions that are actually leveling the clear's/paint's surface, they're also the portions that are much more likely to be clogged with clear-coat which will surely affect the appearance and texture of those areas. When I use one of those handy-dandy orange polish brushes, I often find it's not so much compound residue that is building up, but rather clear-coat.



My original post wasn't a shot at you or any other person on these boards. I hope you understand I have a lot of respect for all members here, especially ones like yourself that have done a lot to contribute steadily to the community. It's not to say that people just don't know how to use equipment, but rather is a result of quality marketing by those trying to sell the pads.

Never the less, I'd like to try these pads out, and will likely do so with my next big order of pads.
 
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