Can a vehicle be too new to polish and coat?

cobrar97

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I`m waiting for the delivery of a new Ford F150. From the time it rolls off the line to the time I take delivery is about 2 weeks.
When I get it, my intention was to polish it an coat it.
I`ve now been told both ways: First that Ford bakes the paint finish and it can be polished and coated right away with no troubles. I`ve had a body shop tell me the same thing. I`ve had another body shop and some random folks say that it needs to wait at least 4 weeks before polishing and coating it.
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
 
Congratulations on your new truck !
Hope it works our great for you -

By the time the trucks actually get to the Dealers lots, they have been really dry and cured for a long enough time..

I have purchased a couple of new F150`s - the last year (2004) they made the Ford F150 Lightning, and a Ford F150 Harley Davidson and both were beautifully painted, dried and cured when they got to me..

Here is how you can tell for sure - get down close to the paint - can you smell paint ? If you can, it`s still outgassing - paint cures from the bottom layer/s up and out...

You will be able to do anything you want to the paint and it will be fine..
Good luck !
Dan F
 
polishing? not an issue at all. The issue comes from sealing in any solvents that haven`t yet made their way out during the curing time. Paint can be baked to dry, but to actually fully cure can take a few weeks. This all can vary on the paint system used. Some may be ok to coat right away, some may need a month or two. Have to do your research and figure out what the PAINT manufacturer says (not the auto manufacturer).

Honestly if it were me, just to be on the safe side, id wait 5-6 weeks.
 
Congratulations on your new truck !
Hope it works our great for you -

By the time the trucks actually get to the Dealers lots, they have been really dry and cured for a long enough time..

I have purchased a couple of new F150`s - the last year they made the Ford F150 Lightning, and a Ford F150 Harley Davidson and both were beautifully painted, dried and cured when they got to me..

You will be able to do anything you want to the paint and it will be fine..
Good luck !
Dan F

Sounds like you appreciate a good Ford truck. This one is a 2016 Limited. It`s going to be the Blue Jeans metallic color. I`ve had gray and silver trucks for a while now, and this will be the first "colored" truck I`ve had. Pretty excited to see how it shines up.
 
Cobrar97 -

Yes, I do appreciate a good Ford Truck !! :)

If it were not for the Ex, I would still have both of those bad boys... :)
The Lightning was unbelievably fast with that supercharged small block... Loved it...

I like the color choice you made - will have to look it up and get a closer view...

My Lightning was silver gray metallic - and the Harley Davidson was of course, black... So wish I had at least one of them again, to go to H/D of China and pick up a Shed... :(
Dan F
 
Cobrar97 -

Yes, I do appreciate a good Ford Truck !! :)

If it were not for the Ex, I would still have both of those bad boys... :)
The Lightning was unbelievably fast with that supercharged small block... Loved it...

I like the color choice you made - will have to look it up and get a closer view...

My Lightning was silver gray metallic - and the Harley Davidson was of course, black... So wish I had at least one of them again, to go to H/D of China and pick up a Shed... :(
Dan F


"Wished I would have kept..." That`s a popular statement among car enthusiasts (nuts). And I know exactly what you mean. I LOVE grays...they have always been my favorite. I think colors are starting to make a comeback after years of gray, white, silver, platinum, etc, etc. Blue seems to be getting pretty popular; and the Ford blue is real dark and looks pretty good (at least I hope it does).
 
Ford is real hit and miss with paint quality (I`m a Ford guy through and through). Inspect the truck thoroughly before you accept.

Also get a ppf on it ASAP. It chips super easy.

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The paint used at the factory is different then what the body shops is use. As Dan already mentioned the paint will be fully cured before it even hits the dealers lot. Polish and coat away! :)
 
Sounds like you appreciate a good Ford truck. This one is a 2016 Limited. It`s going to be the Blue Jeans metallic color. I`ve had gray and silver trucks for a while now, and this will be the first "colored" truck I`ve had. Pretty excited to see how it shines up.

That`s a SWEET truck! I`ve configured that truck/color dozens of times now for when the lease is up on my Ram! :)

Not sure I can swing that much coin and I may end up with a Tacoma, but you mind if I ask what the price is you got it for?
 
That`s a SWEET truck! I`ve configured that truck/color dozens of times now for when the lease is up on my Ram! :)

Not sure I can swing that much coin and I may end up with a Tacoma, but you mind if I ask what the price is you got it for?

Sounds like I`m good-to-go with the polish and coating then.

I`ve always had Platinum F-150`s and kept my eye on the Limited versions. Until now, the color options didn`t work for me, and I personally didn`t like the red interior. I know that many people don`t like the new Mojave colored interior, but it looked fantastic to me. It`s all personal preference on these types of wild colors.
I`m pretty excited, and I don`t mind sharing the info about the purchase. Being the Limited...of course all the usual F-150 rebates don`t apply :-( and most dealers try to get OVER MSRP...so discounting isn`t easy there either. Ford is so far backed up on them (should have hit lots last December), they are already cancelling some of the standing 2016 orders on the customers and there will be NO 2016 dealer stock units produced. Any of the ones you see on lots are customer-order trucks that the customer didn`t want to wait and backed out to buy something else (most of them Platinums).
Anyhow...the MSRP on mine was $66,565. Invoice price was $61,928. I found an amazing dealer and a superb general manager to work with. I ended up buying the truck for Invoice MINUS dealer holdback (dealer`s profit) PLUS $350. That put me at $60,320. Any rebates at time of delivery will come off of that. Currently on the Limited, I can take $1000 cash off, or I can do 0% financing. The financing saves me more in the long-run, so I`ll probably opt for that...but if you took the cash rebate; it`s $59,320. Considering the vehicle, I thought it was a good deal.
I did talk to numerous, NUMEROUS dealers before ordering...and I seriously had a couple laugh in my face when I told them the deal I was offered and was shopping around with. So I think I did pretty good.
I think the rebates and things will start to increase when the dealer orders come around for 2017 at the end of this year and the beginning of next. I know the price you can get a Platinum for is very aggressive right now.


VEGA - When I get it all cleaned up, I`ll certainly post some pics. Like I said above, I haven`t had a "colored" vehicle for a long time. I have some pretty high hopes here.
 
Yeah... I`d buff and coat that puppy RIGHT AWAY! :)

Congrats on that puppy fo` sho`. :D


I ordered a Silverado a week ago, Siren Red tintcoat, crew cab, cocoa/dune heated/cooled leather, 6" steps, sunroof, advanced driver assist, (like it keeps it in the lane when you`re not paying attention) ;) and LOTS of chrome, including 22" wheels, in 4x4 of course. :D

Told the dealer in no uncertain terms.

Do NOT unwrap it.
Do NOT WASH IT.
Do NOT even LOOK at it till I`m there!

It`ll have a number of dealer installed options, from the 22" wheels, to Bowtie blackouts, under seat storage, hard folding tonneau cover, driver side grab handle, and I`m sure a few others that I`m missing about now. Told them to not even install the tonneau cover till I can put a coat of either WETS or GTechniq on the rail tops. Just put in the all weather floor mats, then throw me a set of carpeted mats in the bed till I can get it home.

Once I *DO* get it home it`ll get the full IRON-X treatment. Followed by a full taping, then a full buff (as many stages as it needs). Then of course a coating. Haven`t decided on which one yet, have plenty to choose from around here. ;)
 
Yeah... I`d buff and coat that puppy RIGHT AWAY! :)

Congrats on that puppy fo` sho`. :D


I ordered a Silverado a week ago, Siren Red tintcoat, crew cab, cocoa/dune heated/cooled leather, 6" steps, sunroof, advanced driver assist, (like it keeps it in the lane when you`re not paying attention) ;) and LOTS of chrome, including 22" wheels, in 4x4 of course. :D

Told the dealer in no uncertain terms.

Do NOT unwrap it.
Do NOT WASH IT.
Do NOT even LOOK at it till I`m there!

It`ll have a number of dealer installed options, from the 22" wheels, to Bowtie blackouts, under seat storage, hard folding tonneau cover, driver side grab handle, and I`m sure a few others that I`m missing about now. Told them to not even install the tonneau cover till I can put a coat of either WETS or GTechniq on the rail tops. Just put in the all weather floor mats, then throw me a set of carpeted mats in the bed till I can get it home.

Once I *DO* get it home it`ll get the full IRON-X treatment. Followed by a full taping, then a full buff (as many stages as it needs). Then of course a coating. Haven`t decided on which one yet, have plenty to choose from around here. ;)


You sound a lot like me (other than the Chevy part...but no reason we can`t still be detailing friends). You just want it to be as perfect as possible from Day 1 so that years down the road it looks exactly the same. One of the nice things about a NEW vehicle is being able to provide that first detail that makes the vehicle so much different from many others in the future.

I`ll be trying the Kamikaze coating...this is the first time I`ve used it. I`ve just heard so many great things about it; I just had to give it a shot. I just need the dark truck to show up so I can get started.
 
You sound a lot like me (other than the Chevy part...but no reason we can`t still be detailing friends). You just want it to be as perfect as possible from Day 1 so that years down the road it looks exactly the same. One of the nice things about a NEW vehicle is being able to provide that first detail that makes the vehicle so much different from many others in the future.

I`ll be trying the Kamikaze coating...this is the first time I`ve used it. I`ve just heard so many great things about it; I just had to give it a shot. I just need the dark truck to show up so I can get started.
Yeah well... I owned many a Ford during my first 10 years in the towing business. Then I ran across what we call the Ford from Hades and from that point forward I`ve never owned another one. Things like two water pumps inside 19000 miles for instance! :(

Had a few 302 hotrods in the 70`s as well. Street cars.... one would pull the front wheels off the ground, almost 13:1 compression, .030 over, monster cam, about 5 mpg. LOL

Couldn`t resist the new Silverado after driving one for half a days test drive. That and the heated/cooled leather. ;)

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Was talking with CarMomma today about the *other* dealer options that I`ll need to pickup with the truck. That`ll be another $1000.

Have to get splash guards painted body color. Wheels locks on those 22`s. (I can`t believe I`ve waited till darned near 60 to own the largest wheels I`ve ever had on a non commercial vehicle!!!!)
Add carpet mats (over the high tech alll weather ones). Then a bed mat (has oem sprayed bed liner) but I want a mat that has ribs that sit down inside the bed so the top is flat, and non skid. (Has a hard tonneau cover already.) Plus a bed extender to sit under the cover so we can throw stuff in the back and it won`t end up at the front of the bed under the cover. ;) OH... CarMomma wants vent shades (the in track kind) so that`s a given. Can`t forget ceramic tint on the front windows. And of course the hitch cover, Bowtie of course. :)

Then of course there`s a Diablo tuner, and a leveling kit (for the front) that`ll come fairly soon.

Then if I perhaps get REALLY lucky Alpine makes a new 10" touch screen head unit ($3500 street price) that is nothing short of AMAZING!!!! :D Which of course means I might as well get a subwoofer and amp. (Kidney for sale.) LMAO

Me thinks thst last part might be pushing it just a weeeeeeee bit. ;)

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Was talking with CarMomma today about the *other* dealer options that I`ll need to pickup with the truck. That`ll be another $1000.

Have to get splash guards painted body color. Wheels locks on those 22`s. (I can`t believe I`ve waited till darned near 60 to own the largest wheels I`ve ever had on a non commercial vehicle!!!!)
Add carpet mats (over the high tech alll weather ones). Then a bed mat (has oem sprayed bed liner) but I want a mat that has ribs that sit down inside the bed so the top is flat, and non skid. (Has a hard tonneau cover already.) Plus a bed extender to sit under the cover so we can throw stuff in the back and it won`t end up at the front of the bed under the cover. ;) OH... CarMomma wants vent shades (the in track kind) so that`s a given. Can`t forget ceramic tint on the front windows. And of course the hitch cover, Bowtie of course. :)

Then of course there`s a Diablo tuner, and a leveling kit (for the front) that`ll come fairly soon.

Then if I perhaps get REALLY lucky Alpine makes a new 10" touch screen head unit ($3500 street price) that is nothing short of AMAZING!!!! :D Which of course means I might as well get a subwoofer and amp. (Kidney for sale.) LMAO

Me thinks thst last part might be pushing it just a weeeeeeee bit. ;)

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Yea, we`re on the same page.
I have my splash guards and Ford hitch plug (just the rubber version with Ford embossing...I don`t like flashy ones) sitting here, ready to go.
The F150 Limited comes with an awesome carpeted mats that have border stitching that matches the seat...BUT I just can`t have carpeted mats. I`m too OCD and have to sweep the things every day. I`ve always gone with the WeatherTech liners in the past, but they never been a "perfect" fit. I`ve heard nothing but good things about the new Husky X-Act Contour liners (kind of a hybrid mat)...so I`m trying those this time.
I like the bed covers that sit flush with the truck, so I`m going with a BakFlip cover. They make the one that Ford uses and sells, but it`s the lower-model and a lot more that buying direct...so I`m getting the upgraded version for less than the Ford version. Go figure. I will be able to install it myself, and that`s quite ok with me.
Already have the tint work scheduled so I won`t have to wait in line when the vehicle arrives. Last time, I used Llumar ceramic...this time, I`m going with Formula 1 ceramic. Llumar and F1 are the same company, but F1 is the better-level film. We just got an F1 dealer established nearby, so I`m happy about that.
On my current F150, I had gotten a Livernois tune on it. Expensive at the time, but now comes the benefit. When I get the new truck, Livernois will turn it for NO CHARGE. Can`t beat that...nor the bump up to 425hp. When I had my truck last into Ford for a warranty service, they re-programmed the ECM...knocking out my turn programming. It was like driving a slug around until I could get the turn re-installed. They really make a HUGE difference on there turbo engines.
I had forgot about the wheel locks for the 22" wheels...but my truck is garaged in the night and the wife drives it to school (she`s a teacher) in the day. It`s probably pretty safe I`d say.
The F150 comes with a really sweet 700watt Sony system with a subwoofer. Probably child`s play to the audiophile, but for me it lays down the sound...so I won`t be upgrading that. Sound is a whole different world...and expense.

Can`t wait to see some pics of your truck (even if it is a Chevy). That color you`re getting sound make some crazy reflections!
 
This one will have the OEM deluxe weather mats, never seen them, but they look similar to WestherTech. Hope they have that "perfect fit" or the carpeted ones won`t lay down over them like I`d like.

I wish one of these guus would make a "laser measured" unit WITH a carpet insert. Could even make it removable. ;)

The cover fits pretty good, hard, 3-way flip. Although it is vinyl covered rather than extruded aluminum alone. Of course I tild them not to install it so I can seal all the bed rails first. ;)

GOOD TO HEAR about the F1... I`ll have to make sure my guy has that in stock. :)

Don`t reckon I`ll be pushing anywhere near 425HP out of my 5.3, don`t really need it though especially with thst pushrod V8 torque. ;)

It`s peppy enough stock, although not NEAR what the 6.2 is. Didn`t need that extra expense or loss of MPG either, especially with 4wd. :(

Diablew will do custom tunes for the Diablo that`ll wake it up pretty good though.

Closest thing I`ve seen to mine is the High Country, although it hase a lot of monochrome treatment with body color bumpers and strip across the middle of the grill.

I went for lots of chrome. Especially the bumpers as you NEVER have to worry about paint chips. :D

My problem is the more I look at things to get, the more I want to get!!!!! LOL

Told CarMomma today we could put fender flares on it and paint them in like a champagne color to contrast with the siren red tintcoat. Even do the splash guards the same color..... She wasn`t feeling it.

I agree with the audio system statement. Lots of money can be spent there IN A HURRY. :(

I`ve had all.thst stuff through the years, just too old for it in a vehicle these days.

I`m more into home theater. Owned a home theater design /consulting /sales company for years. (Still keep in contact with a couple distribution channels. ;)

Current system isn`t totally new, but still have a good 30K in it. With free installation (from me). ;) That doesn`t include any sort of projector either, just a 73" big screen.

But hey you only have to do most of it once. :)
Although... next TV will be a 81" 4K unit. Those puppies are righteous!!!!! :D



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From a great article written by Kevin Farrell many years back:

OEM Auto Paint Finishes
DateTHURSDAY, JULY 30, 2009 AT 2:03PM
With almost all of today`s paints being basecoat clearcoat systems, you may think that they are all the same. You may think that a vehicle is painted the same way at the factory and uses the same paint as in a body shop. You may also think that every vehicle can be buffed and polished the exact same way achieving the same results. This is not the case. Even though the final product may look the same, many paints have different chemical properties, which will dictate how you buff the surface of a vehicle. As detailers, we are only buffing the clearcoat, but some background knowledge on the rest of the painting process can be very helpful to both you and your customer. I truly believe that to become an expert on buffing the paint, you must first know the science behind the paint.

HOW IS THE VEHICLE PAINTED?

Everybody seems to have an opinion on how cars are painted at the factory. Some people think that all cars are painted manually. This is not true except for some limited production and very expensive automobiles that are still being painted manually. The vast majority of vehicles are painted using an automated process on the assembly line. Some people think that the vehicles are dipped in a huge tank of paint to achieve their color and final finish. This is not true for the final steps, but it is true for the first primer process called the E-coat, or Electro-primer.

STAGE 1

The E-coat is possibly the most important step in a paint process. This step gives the vehicle its corrosion protection. These days the chances of large areas of the vehicle rusting out are now almost non-existent because of this step. The vehicles are on the assembly line with the structural part of the bodies assembled and are first cleaned of dirt, oil, and grease by way of a dip pretreatment which penetrates even the smallest cavities. Next is a rinsing and drying cycle and then the bodies are electrocoated and dipped with this special rust-inhibitive primer.

ELECTROSTATICS

The electrostatic paint process; simply put, is achieved by negatively charging the paint particles and grounding, or positively charging the workpiece (the vehicle) so that opposites attract. This is an environmentally responsible way to paint a vehicle because it significantly increases quality and production, and equally decreases paint costs and VOC emissions. This process produces a much higher transfer efficiency, which means more paint ends up on the vehicle, speeding up the entire process and making it safer on the environment and more cost effective to the manufacturer.

In the case of the E-coat, the vehicle is electrocoated with levels that can be controlled by sophisticated equipment. This will determine how much of this primer will stick to the vehicle surface after it is dipped and then goes through another rinsing and drying process. This is the last time the vehicle will be dipped in any kind of primer or paint. The rest of the painting process is done with automated spray equipment.

ELECTROSTATIC SPRAY EQUIPMENT

In the remaining steps, the vehicle is painted with automated equipment. This is still an electrostatic process, but the type of equipment may vary. Some manufacturers use spray guns, but many are choosing a device called a rotary atomizer or bell cup. This device does not look like a spray gun at all. It looks like a large bullet and at the nose, or cone, the paint is mixed, charged, and sprayed. The bell or nosepiece rotates at a very high rate of speed (up to 55,000 RPM) to finely atomize the paint particles. In the pictures shown, the bell edge has very fine serrations to further atomize the paint. A charging electrode is located at the tip and the atomized paint becomes negatively charged. Even further atomization is achieved as the charged particles repel each other to form an even finer cloud of spray. There are other types of electrostatic spray equipment for assembly line use as well as refinishing.

STAGE 2 SPRAY PRIMER

After the vehicle goes through the E-coat dipping, rinsing and drying, it is then caulked and sealed and sent into spray primer. This is a very important step for a number of reasons. This primer will fill very minute scratches and imperfections in the body, and also it gives the basecoat something to "stick" to. For years some carmakers left out this step to save time and money, but it led to problems such as chalking, powdering, and delamination. Also the primer can be made color specific to better hide stone chips and scratches. BMW uses color specific primers now on all their vehicles. For 1999 there are 16 different primers for 19 different basecoat applications. This is obviously a much more expensive and time-consuming process, but it can make a big difference in customer satisfaction.

The next operation is the basecoat or color coat. This gives the vehicle its color. Basecoat will dry dull, like the old lacquer systems, and has no gloss. The difference is that the old lacquer paints needed to be sanded and buffed to achieve their gloss. Again, this was very time consuming and rather expensive because you had to apply enough coats with the anticipation that some of it would be sanded and buffed off. With basecoats, all you want is coverage. A high film build is not needed, and there is no sanding or buffing of a basecoat.

CLEARCOAT

Basecoat/clearcoat systems have been around for quite a long time. Many European cars have been painted like this since the early 80`s. However the technology has changed dramatically.

It all starts with what the manufacturer wants. A car company may want their vehicle to have the absolute best gloss you can possibly achieve. They also will want the surface to be resistant to scratches and marring. They also will want the paint surface to be very resistant to atmospheric pollution, such as acid rain, industrial fallout, tree sap, bird droppings, stone chipping, etc. In a nutshell they want the surface to be bulletproof. Unfortunately, for the manufacturer they will almost certainly have to give up something to achieve something else. For example, if they want a great gloss they will have to give up a little durability. If their concern is durability, the gloss may not be quite as rich. This is a double-edged sword. Some paint manufacturers say that the technology is available to produce an almost bulletproof clearcoat but paint costs have skyrocketed. Most car manufacturers in trying to keep costs down will opt to play a game of give and take with the clearcoat surface.

CHEMISTRY LESSON

A major difference between a factory or OEM clearcoat and a refinish clear is how they are activated and dried. In a refinish situation the clearcoat can be air-dried and harden on it`s own. In an assembly line situation, this would be much too time consuming. On the assembly line, the vehicles must be painted, dried and on to next assembly step in a relatively short period of time. Therefore the paints chemical makeup is totally different. There are basically 2 types of OEM clearcoat systems. The first is 1K or melamine; the second is 2K or polyurethane.

1K MELAMINE

In any type of paint system there must be activation, or something that starts the drying and curing process. With a melamine clear or 1 component, the activation is started by a baking process. It is activated or cross-linked by temperature and time frame. This type of system is baked at a very high temperature, typically 265-285 degrees farenheight for about 20-30 minutes. In this system the components in the resins are very stable and have a very long pot life, so no activation or cross-linking will take place until it reaches a certain temperature.

2K POLYURETHANE

In a polyurethane system, it is a 2 component clearcoat that is more of a chemical reaction and is accelerated by heat. The activation starts when the 2 components are mixed together at the sprayer, where they are precisely blended, before the paint is atomized and sprayed on the vehicle. This system is baked at lower temps, typically 140-165 degrees for about 30-40 minutes

There is still another type of technology available called powder- coating, in which the resins stay in powder form and adhere to the surface electrostatically. Then they are baked at a very high temperature and fused into a smooth coating. This is a very fast growing finishing technology. While not many vehicles are painted with this system there are more and more parts and components painted like this (such as wheels.)

CROSS LINKING

I have mentioned the process where the clearcoat starts its curing process as cross-linking. The chemists I spoke with referred to this as cross-link density. As detailers we would refer to this as how hard or soft the paint is. My intention for doing this research was to determine why some cars buff differently than others using the same procedure. Why were some cars left with swirl marks and some cars looked fine? Why does one vehicle have such a great shine and another vehicle just looks okay after doing the exact same thing? It is not our imagination playing tricks on us. It all comes back to this cross-link density.

Simply put, this is how tight or dense the surface will get after is it fully cured. Think of this as drawing a tic-tac-toe board, or checker board on a piece of paper. The smaller the squares and closeness of the lines will dictate a tighter or denser surface. The chemists would not generalize what paint systems were harder or softer, (1K or 2K) or what makes and models had more shine or durability, but looked at the chemical makeup of the clearcoat resin itself, the amount of activation, and the heat and duration of the baking process, as determining factors in how hard or soft and amount of gloss the car would have. Another key factor in gloss and appearance is the line speed of the vehicles on the assembly line. If a car is moving at a very high rate of speed it does not give the paint a chance to "lay out" and flow as well as a vehicle that is moving slower. Again, time is money. Other factors that effect gloss are the flow rate or orifice opening in the sprayer and how well the paint is being atomized. These are all things that the engineers have to take into consideration before the spray system is designed.

Another thing that the chemists agreed on was that no system is bulletproof. They design the paint system and clearcoat for what the carmaker wants and there is always a degree of give and take involved.

WHEN TO WAX?

A topic for consideration, about which many people are misinformed, is when you can wax the vehicle or apply paint sealant. Looking back at the curing process, both the 1K and 2K systems are 90-95% cured upon cool down, after the bake process, in the factory spray booth. The additional 5-10% will cure within 3-7 days. This means that by the time any vehicle reaches its destination at a dealer, the paint is fully cured. By not applying some sort of protection to the paint surface upon delivery or shortly after, the customer is actually hurting the paint instead of helping it. Salesmen that say don`t wax a car for 6-12 months are misinformed. This is a huge problem in our business because customers will tend to believe a salesman who knows nothing about paint, rather than a trained professional. This is often why fairly new cars are in such bad shape even after a short period of time.

IS THERE A CHART?

I have been asked if there is a chart, or list, that can be made of vehicles with characteristics such as hardness and degree of shine and what the buffing procedure should be. Unfortunately, it is not that simple. Even vehicles of the same make can have different paint systems and it will vary from model to model and place of origin. There also may be areas on the vehicle that have been refinished. That paint may react differently to buffing that the factory paint.

As a detailer you will see many different cars in all types of condition. There is no set in stone way to buff any car. Many detailers make the mistake of getting into a comfort zone and in do the exact same thing on every vehicle regardless of age, condition, make and model, or color. Even though you are buffing only the clearcoat the background color or basecoat is the backdrop on how the imperfections will show up.

Hopefully by understanding the entire paint process and knowing that all factory paints are far from the same, you may better understand what steps and procedures are needed to produce a near flawless vehicle every time.
 
David, thank you for going back in your archives and putting that up.

I know I remember either reading that, or something similar way back when. Never can have TOO MUCH good information. ;)

Seems I remember perhaps on "How It`s Made" they did a bit on the process as well. Went through the dipping, e-coat, and of course final coating process. It`s amazing to see those nozzles going full bore like they do.

OTOH... seems that GM woefully missed the programming when shooting the metallic black Camaros here lately. Just a little tweak could have saved them a ton of cost down the road. But as the article says... they are trying to put as little as they can, as fast as they can on each unit.

I know DaveT had Chevy buy back his new Camaro because the paint was so thin you could SEE THROUGH IT, not just where it was thin in the jambs, but on the front bumper cover in front of the tires!


Good article though! :bigups
 
David,
Thanks for that awesome write-up...I had not seen it in the past. That information is very helpful, and it`s knowledge that is good to having when working with any time of automotive paint.
 
I work in a dealership setting where we get the cars sometimes the same day the factory finishes assembling them, and sometimes a couple weeks after the factory finishes them. Sometimes I can dig my fingernail into the paint, and sometimes it`s 100% cured. I know I`ll never mess with a new car`s paint until it has a few months of curing, no matter what the manufacturer claims.
 
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