Breaking Down Polish?

Lazzman

Lazzman

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I have ready many threads that explain when polish is broken down or what it looks like when it is broken down and from my results, it seems easier to read the description than actually experience it, especially when you have not seen it in person.

With that being said and static factors of average humidity, clean paint, and temperature of 75 F, using a PC set between 3-4 with light pressure, working on a 2x2 foot area, making horizontal and Vertical passes. Approximately how many minutes would it take for the polish to break down?

I get great results from my polishing but often wonder if I am polishing to long or not long enough. I use Menz PO106FF a lot, it has extra thickness, and can be buffed for longer periods of time. I usually stop buffing when I see the polish start to dry.

What is a good ballpark breakdown time using the above factors?

Thanks Kindly for yer help...
 
It depends on the vehicle and the paint. I always work the polish with my PC for a couple minutes on speed 4, then move it up to 5 or 6. When the compound flashes and I can see the shine of the paint through the polish, I stop, then wipe clean with QD and a Microfiber and check the finish.

I've never timed it, but I'm going to guess, somewhere between 4-8 minutes. (That would include re-wetting the pad with a spray of water... KBM.)
 
Thanks for the info Bill :cornut:

Working on my personal vehicle; a black 1998 Explorer sport, that has lived outside all of its life- 190k mi on the clock now with original factory paint.

I will post pics when I get it up to par.

I think we should post more pics of older vehicles that are brought back to life- much more of a dramatic change than detailing a vehicle that already has good paint.

Peace~
 
I was reading that some people have been using Menzerna Final polish or FP II with a CCS gray pad is this because these polishes fall into the finesse category? I've always use FP II with a white CCS pad just to add a little bit more cut to remove any marring or blemishes left behind when using IP, the gray pads have no cutting advantages associated with them.
 
Lazzman said:
I have ready many threads that explain when polish is broken down or what it looks like when it is broken down and from my results, it seems easier to read the description than actually experience it, especially when you have not seen it in person.

With that being said and static factors of average humidity, clean paint, and temperature of 75 F, using a PC set between 3-4 with light pressure, working on a 2x2 foot area, making horizontal and Vertical passes. Approximately how many minutes would it take for the polish to break down?

I get great results from my polishing but often wonder if I am polishing to long or not long enough. I use Menz PO106FF a lot, it has extra thickness, and can be buffed for longer periods of time. I usually stop buffing when I see the polish start to dry.

What is a good ballpark breakdown time using the above factors?

Thanks Kindly for yer help...
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First of all, as Bill mentioned, I would advise you go with speed 5 or 6 for polishing after spreading for 1-2 passes at speed 3-4.

At speed 5/6, using 106ff on about 2x2 feet, I would say at least 10-12 passes are required to fully break down the polish, maybe even more. With the rotary and 106ff, it usually takes me 8-10 passes on a 2x2 foot area, and with the G110 and 5.5" pads it's always 13-14 until I stop. Timewise, it depends on how slow/fast a pass for you is, but I'd say it's about 4-6 mins with the rotary for those 8-10 passes and probably 7-9 mins with the G110 for 12-14 passes...

Main factor here is how much polish is applied to the pad. Apply too much and you'll be doing 30 passes with 106ff
 
Good info Ivo.

with the 106ff it is so well lubricated that if you use to much you can polish for a very long time with out it breaking down.

I use a Flex machine usually set between 2-3, ironically the only machine you did not mention, though I assume it might be the same as the rotary time.

I usually just put an X on my 7" polishing pad, what is the correct method to use?? :confused:

Thanks for the info
 
Lazzman said:
I usually just put an X on my 7" polishing pad, what is the correct method to use?? :confused:

Thanks for the info
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I've used the "X" method; I've also used 5 or 6 pea-sized dots. Both work equally well. Just be sure to prime the pad first... (one spritz of water then massage the polish/compound into the pad before applying to the paint).:)
 
Lazzman said:
I get great results from my polishing but often wonder if I am polishing to long or not long enough. I use Menz PO106FF a lot, it has extra thickness, and can be buffed for longer periods of time. I usually stop buffing when I see the polish start to dry.

What is a good ballpark breakdown time using the above factors?

Thanks Kindly for yer help...
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Adding to what has already been said...
If you work Menzerna long enough to be the right time, it should remove rather easy, if you're having trouble removing it, then you may have not gone long enough. In terms of time, in working on a small area, 3-4 minutes would be about right. I don't usually time it, but I'm pretty much used to it that i know when is good...
 
Goose said:
If you work Menzerna long enough to be the right time, it should remove rather easy, if you're having trouble removing it, then you may have not gone long enough.
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Very very true... it's definitely one way to tell whether or not it's properly worked in. If the m/f towel starts grabbing and it's still 'greasy/oily' definitely work it more.
 
If the m/f towel starts grabbing and it's still 'greasy/oily' definitely work it more
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So that's what I'm doing wrong with mine then! Cause when I get done buffing the polish in...I spray with final inspection and start to wipe and it's pretty hard to wipe up and starts streaking. Im guessing im not buffing long enough.

Also...what is "flash"...like when the compound flashes...what is this and what does it look like?
 
From my understanding "flashing" occurs when, let's say, white polish turns from its white color to an almost transparent appearance.
 
ivopivo said:
At speed 5/6, using 106ff on about 2x2 feet, I would say at least 10-12 passes are required to fully break down the polish, maybe even more. With the rotary and 106ff, it usually takes me 8-10 passes on a 2x2 foot area, and with the G110 and 5.5" pads it's always 13-14 until I stop. Timewise, it depends on how slow/fast a pass for you is, but I'd say it's about 4-6 mins with the rotary for those 8-10 passes and probably 7-9 mins with the G110 for 12-14 passes...
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I have never really heard anyone saying 106ff took so long to break down. I have seen videos and they always seemed to stop at 3 to 5 minutes point even with a DA.

How much do you put on a pad?
 
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