AutoGeek's DP line bothers me...

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BillyBarou

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It's not that it is a bad line but I wonder why another product line now?



Could they have not evolved the Pinnacle or Wolfgang lines?



It also seems all but certain that Paste Glaz is being reused on the line. I'm a big AutoGeek fan but this endless introductions of new lines in the detailing business makes me a bit uncomfortable.



Does anyone else feel the same way?
 
I believe Detailer's Pride (DP) was out even before Wolfgang. Maybe since it wasn't that popular they revised some formulas and added a couple more products to the lines and marketed it a little different. Thats JMO. Anyway the only newer DP product I tried was their waterless wash, which I though was pretty good. At times it was a little difficult to remove, but not that bad. Overall it seemed like a good product. I've also read pretty good reviews of their other polishes/waxes.

If it bothers you so much why not just support it(i.e. buy it)? As Autogeek keeps adding newer lines as well as distributing other lines, more and more people will keep shopping there and only there. If they distributed Menzerna and Clearkote, I really don't see why anyone would shop anywhere else, aside from giving their business to other people.
 
It seems to me that there is a fine line between incremental product improvement (something Zaino does very well) and marketing by introducing new lines. I wonder if vendors are addicted to a "new line sales cycle" because they think so many of us will buy the new line at least once to try it out. Maybe that is good business strategy but perhaps it hurts the credibility of the vendor in the long run.
 
Autogeek owns the formula for Paste Glaze, so what they do with it, is their business. It is a quality wax, and has pretty decent durability for a caranuba.



The new polishes are very nice too, especially the medium and finial polishes.



All in all im not bothered with the new line, there are some products i like quite a bit.

It is strange to me that they would compete with themselves, but thats not my problem.
 
Interesting discussion. Its one thing if vendors are adding to their line of available products, because their current inventory no longer lives up to expectation, vs. adding products with new technology.

Its my perception product lines would be better suited tweeking or inproving based on customers needs. Stability and/or adaptation of product lines are very important to a lines' future as well as current sales.

Meguiars is a prime example. They are very often bringing new products out, yet maintain availability of the older products as well, unless there are V.O.C. issues.



Billy brings up an interest with vendors adding new lines due to an addiction to having the newest product at its earliest availability. Is it just to edge the competition. Or is it a tried and true product thats worthy of administering through their website? Some websites have so many products to offer, consumers are often left wondering "What do i do now?" "Which one should I get?"

This is very intriguing.....
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Some websites have so many products to offer, consumers are often left wondering "What do i do now?" "Which one should I get?"

This is very intriguing.....
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This is very true for even for the experienced Autopian. All of these products basically fall into the same category and/or provide the same results with an overload of "brand" names to chose from. I've always used consistent recommendations of particular products and watching for good values as two of my primary tools in deciding which ones of so many similar products to select as my ultimate purchase.
 
This is a great thread! I believe the DP line although good is truly capitalizing on the predictability of a lot if not most of us autopians. We are always looking for the next best thing and we are always willing to try new products. There has been much speculation that the DP line is just the relabeling of pinnacle products, but with its revamped name and lower price we are expected to buy it. Ont he other hand many say the DP is just a watered down pinncale line at a watered down price, if this is the case then im willing to just spend the extra money and get the real deal. Im not planning on buying any DP products int he near future.
 
I've always used consistent recommendations of particular products and watching for good values as two of my primary tools in deciding which ones of so many similar products to select as my ultimate purchase.
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An excellent recommendation for any consumer...........
 
IMO I think they introduced the DP line to market to people that dont wanna spend as much as pinnacle and wolfgang. I think the order of things go Pinnacle, Wolfgang then DP. I dont think that adding to those lines would have been good marketing, now introducing a new one, you can start fresh. Because when I think of pinnacle and wolfgang I think overpriced products, that do give good results, just not worth it. Now with the DP line I think average priced products and have heard good things. If those new products were introduced into the wolfgang or pinnacle line I dont think they would have sold as much just because people, that dont wanna spend a lot of $, wouldn't look into it as much as they would the DP line. I dont know maybe its just me.





Another thing to notice is the colors of the packaging, DP is white and pinnacle and wolfgang is black, to market to different markets. Black packaging kinda relates to more $ and higher end. IMO
 
The Detailer's Pride line seems as if it was originally aimed at the pro detailer market. With the introduction of the new DP, they seem to have steered their marketing more toward a "value" boutique buyer. There is nothing wrong with this IMO as their product expansion of this new line now encompasses a more complete product coverage when compared to either the Pinnacle or Wolfgang brands.



When I first discovered Autopia, I did not jump on the "wax of the month" bandwagon and it just so happens that the revised DP line came out when I was ready to try a "complete line up of products". I was also attracted to them at this time because they were being offered on sale. So, I bought many of the new DP products hoping that their similarities to the Pinnacle/Wolfgang would be there at a reduced price. I have not been disappointed with anything in the DP line up so far and have not read any reviews that any similar item under-delivers when compared to the Pinnacle/WG brands.



As Bill D stated, it is probably most wise to watch both price and performance and not be tempted by the latest/greatest thing. Impulse buying is totally under each individual's control.



These were the types of items I was going to purchase anyway and it was just convenient for me to try many of them all at once. I do not feel cheated by the new DP products. The DP line IMO just seems to offer a better price point when compared to the Pinnacle/WG brands. Having products available in gallon sizes is also a plus when compared to other boutique brands.



The ultimate test for a successful brand is a repeat purchase, anyway. If you don't like their marketing, you can certainly vote your conscience by not purchasing. :wavey
 
I dont think the DP line is there to lure any "suckers" into buying it. There was a $10 kit available when it first was released that was worth every penny. DP can certainly stand on its own.



I think what we are seeing is 3 seperate product lines, 3 seperate companies, and each one of them is different, and each one of them is sellable. Perhaps somewhere down the road, someone will purchase WG, or Pinnicle.
 
This is sort of why I like the Four Star Ultimate and Professional lines. You don't have a million products to choose from and there is no question on what product to use when. The ClearKote line confuses the Hell out of me at times trying to decide what product to use when and where. LOL
 
I think they probably are marketing down to a more value oriented customer with DP. But even then one wonders why AutoGeek would take a very popular wax like Paste Glaz and take it out of Pinnacle and move it into DP. That would seem to take away and cannabilize from the Pinnacle fan's experience.
 
BillyBarou said:
I think they probably are marketing down to a more value oriented customer with DP. But even then one wonders why AutoGeek would take a very popular wax like Paste Glaz and take it out of Pinnacle and move it into DP. That would seem to take away and cannabilize from the Pinnacle fan's experience.
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I don't know for sure, but perhaps, in relation to the other 2 waxes (Souveran and Sig.) PG didn't sell as well, but when put out on its own, it became the premier wax of the "new" line, and garnered a new, stronger following.



This is just conjecture. I don't know if PG and DP's MW are the same, don't know if this is the thought process at Palm Beach Motoring Accessories. Just a thought that popped into my head.
 
Some people want clean cars, some people want cool new products. I've been in both camps, and have decided that camp #1 is more rewarding for me than camp #2. I mean, once something works, what else is there?



I won't get lured anymore by the next "newer is better" product. If my car looks great now, how much nicer could it get? I've found something that works and I'm sticking to it. (What it is doesn't matter; find one that works for you.)





Tom
 
If my memory serve me correct. DP was in the market since in the early 90's. I think it been in business for 10 or more already. Anyways, I love DP, I have almost every products that they carry. :clap:
 
I think what they have done is great... I cant afford to put Pinnacle on all of my customers cars (unless they want to pay, which a handful do!) But I darn sure can use DP on them and know they are getting a quality product! Pinnacle is by far a superior line, and it goes on my personal vehicles along with WG. As for DP its an awesome addition pulling it seems from Pinnacle quality yet reaching us average Joe's with a reasonable price. That DP Max Wax is standing tall next to all of the carnaubas I have used, it is one product that is definately UNDERPRICED! :woohoo: Just my $.02
 
kgb said:
The ClearKote line confuses the Hell out of me at times trying to decide what product to use when and where. LOL
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Ya, one thing I hate is when companies call things what they are not, like Zaino and all of their "polishes" as well as every other detailing products company. :furious:
 
Pontman43 said:
Ya, one thing I hate is when companies call things what they are not, like Zaino and all of their "polishes" as well as every other detailing products company. :furious:
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LOL Like "waxes" that are actually polishes and offer no protective coating. Don't get me wrong, I really like a lot of ClearKote's stuff like their VMW, RMG, MW, CMW and Quik Shine but it gets too dang confusing! LMAO
 
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