ARGHHHH! Some people just dont get it!

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texaggie1

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From the RX7club.com forum:

"Well, I wouldnt have beleived it if I hadn't done it myself.



I just tried removing some crud from the paint on my car and used brake parts cleaner.



It evaporates instantly, and worked well.



But after that, I wanted to try a material that evaporated more slowly.



Mineral spirits was the material I had on hand.



I got a soft sponge, and began to apply a light coat of Mineral spirits in a hidden area of the car.



SHOCK! No paint came off, but a WHOLE LOT OF CRUD DID!



"Uhh.." , I said, "that paint was black, not its BLACKER and SMOOTH!"



You see I was (somehow) used to small little "things" that would be rough on my paint, and felt it was just the age stating to dull the smooth finish.



However, I just did my hood.



It took elbow grease, ( i might switch to a orbital buffer) but now the hood is LIKE GLASS!



(minus the physical defects in the paint)



The amount of brown CRUD that came out of my paint was AMAZING.



Did I say brown?



Why YES, brown... you know the color that White paint seems to fade to after about 3-5 years?!



(Although youd never know it unless you did a repaint)



So, I called over a freind, with a white car.



I tried it on the engine area.



W O W!!!!



W H I T E P A I N T I S R E A L L Y W H I T E!



Whew..



So, I want OTHERS to try this....



It seems to do a better job then a clay bar.



As you wipe the mineral spirits, notice that the dots in your paint start to streak.



Keep going!



No streaks??



Now BUFF IT OUT.



What do you see? I want to know!

So everyone that has the guts to try it, (AT YOUR OWN RISK), please post before and after pics!



Needless to say the Wax on your car will be gone, so...



I reccommend a good degreasing first with a Purple or citrus cleaner!



The use "Scratch Out" from "KIT" (AWESOME STUFF)



Then WAX IT ASAP!



Damn BIRDS!



Its too late for those kind of pics for me, so i want to see others' pictures.



One note of caution.... The nose of my car was painted with some sort of LATEX paint by the previous MORON that owned it. so that came off. (Good riddance) "





:nono
 
"...uh, yeah. I've got some pretty bad swirls so I took some brake fluid and my polisher and just buffed the hell out of it. I followed up with a QD made out of carb cleaner and battery acid. It worked really well. Took out every one of those swirls."
 
Okay, I admit it... it is pretty funny. But, come on, give the guy credit for trying. In stead of laughing at him, wouldn't it be more Autopia-like to put him on the right track? Someone invite him on over to the brighter side.



:wavey
 
ok, I have a light general knowledge of why this stuff this guys is doing is wrong but I wanst a more experinced autopian to post and give him a little advice before he ruins a nice car.



Please...



Bryan
 
Can anybody give me the technical reasons that what he is doing wrong and why. What are the long term effects of his actions. I'm trying to convert these guys from the affection for TW :bounce
 
Anyone got a technical explanation for why this is WRONG? I cant stand on my autopian soapbox and preach without reason!
 
Using mineral spirits on the whole car one time may not do that much harm. However the using a solvent like that on paint will remove the paints plasticizers allowing the paint to deteriorate at a more rapid pace.
 
banzai,



to get a good technical reason you'd need to hear from people who know the chemical properties of auto paint and the products that guy is using. There was only one person here that could offer this level of in-depth advice and he's no longer posting here.



So unless we can engage an expert in the field of automotive paint and chemicals, we'll have to forego that tactic.



Having said that, here's my view of this:



What he's done with the mineral spirits is effectively the same thing as others using abrasive compounds. Instead of using mechanical action (i.e. grinding off a layer of dead paint and crud) he's using a chemical action. Both are "bad" in that they can have an adverse effect on the paint if done incorrectly. But both can be effective as a step in a process of restoring dead paint. As they say, to make an omelette ya gotta break a few eggs.



If you look at the MSDS of various paint cleaners and compounds you'll see both mechanical and chemical products that work together to do the job the product was designed for. If you just look at the MSDS for 3M products you'll see things like Stoddard Solvent and Solvent 140, which if you research them, do not seem like the kind of products one would want to use on their cherished vehicle. But these chemicals are necessary in order to get the results we all want.



The guy has an old car. The paint is badly faded. It was never a great paint job to begin with. He wants to prep it in order to sell it. It's been neglected for many years and he's looking for a cheap and easy way to revive the paint to a point where a potential buyer will like it. So while on one hand we have someone who is committing a sin by using extremely harsh chemicals. On the other we have a person who doesn't care a whole lot and wants to experiment a little. It's his car.



The problem I have with his posts is that he is so enamored with the process that he wants others to do the same thing. It seems he wants to validate his "discovery" and encourage others to come along for the ride. That's a bad thing, IMO. Just because some nutty process has worked for him doesn't mean this is something others should attempt. I'd feel better if he included a long list of disclaimers or, even better, simply didn't publicize this. If someone else ruins their paint job by following this then his comments did more harm than good. I guess the only saving grace here is that most folks are sensible enough to not follow every crackpot idea they read about on the net.



So if you want to be "the voice of reason" by all means, go for it. I'm sure others will respect your comments and consider them before attempting some wacko paint cleaning scheme.



Good luck. At least you know better.
 
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