Are we lowering our standards?

[jaybs02]

I was looking through some older threads and it seems that maybe our mindset has changed.

Just a few years ago if someone had mentioned that there were fillers in a product it raised a commotion. People asking how do you know whether you corrected the problem or were merely covering it up where it will return after a few washings. So people were going the extra step and doing IPA wipe downs between steps to ensure that the defects were being removed and not merely masked.

Now it seems as though we are embracing the concept of fillers in products. This is evident by the introduction of a number of different glazes that have been introduced from a few different manufacturers. I think the key thing is that now they can be used under a sealant where the oils in the earlier ones caused bonding issues.
Now we don't have to get the paint surface perfect but close enough and we let the fillers do the rest.

So my questions is have we lowered our standards or are we just taking advantage of new technology.

What are peoples thoughts on this?

 

[black bart]

If you keep a vehicles for years like I do it is a good thing because less polishing means less paint removed.
If I can make it look good without all the time polishing and removing the paint I see that as a good thing.

 

[Poorboy]

If you keep a vehicles for years like I do it is a good thing because less polishing means less paint removed.
If I can make it look good without all the time polishing and removing the paint I see that as a good thing.

what he said :bigups

 

[Beemerboy]

If you keep a vehicles for years like I do it is a good thing because less polishing means less paint removed.
If I can make it look good without all the time polishing and removing the paint I see that as a good thing.

I've got to go with this one as well Jay...I don't like to use fillers as a whole but for general maintenance, especially on dark colors its God sent!

When I use a glaze..I do this in conjunction with multiple steps..my feelings are that I lock the glaze in with a sealant and paste wax...so its not going to just wash right out...that's my take on it

 

[9D4E420]

I've got to go with this one as well Jay...I don't like to use fillers as a whole but for general maintenance, especially on dark colors its God sent!

When I use a glaze..I do this in conjunction with multiple steps..my feelings are that I lock the glaze in with a sealant and paste wax...so its not going to just wash right out...that's my take on it

Second that.:rockon

 

[JaredPointer]

Different times call for different bandwagons to be jumped upon. It wasn't too long ago the mention of Zaino would nearly incite a riot. I don't really see that much anymore, but then again I don't go around looking at places that are known for peeing contest either.

 

[Poorboy]

but then again I don't go around looking at places that are known for peeing contest either.

I bet I can hit a tree from 10 paces :rofl

 

[JaredPointer]

I bet I can hit a tree from 10 paces :rofl

Well, I can hit one from 15. My bottle of stuff cost more, lasts longer (proven by Stanford scientific testing), and does not contain fillers or scents which can desensitize you to the top shelf chemicals that are used in the product and have their own unique aroma. Also, I need to throw these words somewhere in the fray: Silicone, Petroleum Distillates, and relabel. I think that would about cover the argument, with the same four or five points being rehashed over a fifteen page thread.

 

[Mr. Clean]

Well, I can hit one from 15. My bottle of stuff cost more, lasts longer (proven by Stanford scientific testing), and does not contain fillers or scents which can desensitize you to the top shelf chemicals that are used in the product and have their own unique aroma. Also, I need to throw these words somewhere in the fray: Silicone, Petroleum Distillates, and relabel. I think that would about cover the argument, with the same four or five points being rehashed over a fifteen page thread.

I thought you said you don't go to that site anymore???

So as not to stray to far afield...I haven't jumped on the glaze bandwagon...yet. I've heard PB has some "new" products, though. :notme: If you are working on a client's vehicle the use of a glaze would obviously have to be determined by the agreement and understanding struck. I think that may have been the reasoning behind some of the discussions in the past. Promising one thing and under delivering on that promise.

 

[CharlesW]

Chances are, my standards weren't all that high to start with.
I still don't use glazes* even though I do have a couple of samples that I may try this spring.
*One possible exception to that statement. I do use Meguiar's #80 Speed Glaze occasionally. Even though it is called Speed Glaze, I don't really think of it as a true glaze.

I also have never done an alcohol wipe down and have no intentions of starting now.

 

[JaredPointer]

I thought you said you don't go to that site anymore???

So as not to stray to far afield...I haven't jumped on the glaze bandwagon...yet. I've heard PB has some "new" products, though. :notme: If you are working on a client's vehicle the use of a glaze would obviously have to be determined by the agreement and understanding struck. I think that may have been the reasoning behind some of the discussions in the past. Promising one thing and under delivering on that promise.

Hey now, I do visit every now and again. I really don't think I am serious enough for most detailing boards. That's why I hang out here. Everyone knows I am a moron and is accepting.:crazy2:

 

[tmacsad]

If you keep a vehicles for years like I do it is a good thing because less polishing means less paint removed.
If I can make it look good without all the time polishing and removing the paint I see that as a good thing.

RIGHT ON BRO. :bigups

 

[jaybs02]

Well if the case it that people are leaning towards product with fillers would it not make sense to use polishes that contain fillers, this way it wold cut out another step and the result would still be the same.

 

[CharlesW]

Well if the case it that people are leaning towards product with fillers would it not make sense to use polishes that contain fillers, this way it wold cut out another step and the result would still be the same.

Sounds logical, but where/what are those polishes that do a good job of filling?

In the past, I was disappointed in the so called filling abilities of the only two glazes I remember trying.
Meguiar's #7 and 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. Both did very little to improve the appearance of the vehicles I used them on. I gave both of them away after about 3 uses. The #7 was also a product that I was never able to use properly since it was a real PITA to remove. Most people told me it must be my technique since they didn't have any problem.

 

[Ronkh]

My standards haven't dropped. But my time and space availibility have. So until spring, it's fillers.

 

[vwgtivw]

Hey now, I do visit every now and again. I really don't think I am serious enough for most detailing boards. That's why I hang out here. Everyone knows I am a moron and is accepting.:crazy2:

And we welcome all morons.:bubba

 

[RTexasF]

I say we are using products more wisely than before. Also, some manufacturers tell you up front what the product is intended for (Poorboy's comes to mind). There are times I just don't have the strength,stamina, or desire for "complete perfection" to deal with my daily driver. I want it to look nice but my back/wrist/arm/leg/neck/whatever is killing me. I'd rather hide the imperfections until I can better deal with them. I would call it honesty with yourself or your customer depending on what they want to pay you to achieve. Honesty with yourself and ESPECIALLY your customer is paramount.