Are there any Pinnacle Souveran users still out there?

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General Lee

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I`ve had a can of Souveran paste wax for years. Haven`t used it in years either. Still smells great though. Ordered some liquid Souveran and it just arrived. Smells garbage and chemicals. Is this normal? Souveran can`t make their liquid wax smell decent??
 
The particular smell that you`re noticing out of Liquid Souveran is normal, there`s nothing wrong with your bottle. Liquid Souveran is regarded to be a much more stout protectant compared to Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax, more sealant than wax. I always felt it was more of a derivative of Wolfgang DGPS, Blackfire Wet Diamond AFPP, and Menzerna/Jescar Power Lock, which I still feel are some of the best base layer protective sealants to work with after polishing.
 
Loach said:
The particular smell that you`re noticing out of Liquid Souveran is normal, there`s nothing wrong with your bottle. Liquid Souveran is regarded to be a much more stout protectant compared to Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax, more sealant than wax. I always felt it was more of a derivative of Wolfgang DGPS, Blackfire Wet Diamond AFPP, and Menzerna/Jescar Power Lock, which I still feel are some of the best base layer protective sealants to work with after polishing.
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I’m with Loach. Seems like one of those sealants with less longevity than WG or PL, and some carnauba added which gives it a unique, smoother look.

And my bottle smells similar to what is being discussed in this thread. Nothing tropical like Souveran Paste.
 
I still use Souveran and Fuzion every now and then...and it`s always a pleasure!!!

Liquid Souveran I believe, needs some more solvents/chemicals to keep it in its` liquid form, that could also add to the odor.

Enjoy them both!
 
Huh, interesting about the Liquid..I`ve used tons of the paste version but never tried the liquid since I was after the specific look of the paste version and heard they looked different.

What I`d never heard before is that the Liquid Souveran is durable. That *never* came across my radar until I saw this thread...huh...
 
Accumulator said:
Huh, interesting about the Liquid..I`ve used tons of the paste version but never tried the liquid since I was after the specific look of the paste version and heard they looked different.

What I`d never heard before is that the Liquid Souveran is durable. That *never* came across my radar until I saw this thread...huh...
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I guess I`ll find out. Thats why I chose to try the liquid, I had read that it closely mimics the look of the paste but it is more durable.

I did a test panel with Pinnacles "paintwork cleansing lotion" on my black paint. Applied by hand with a microfiber applicator pad. It or the product left what I call hand holograms/marring. Its supposed to be a `apply by hand` product. Had to go back with griots perfecting cream on my DA to fix it.
 
General Lee said:
I did a test panel with Pinnacles "paintwork cleansing lotion" on my black paint. Applied by hand with a microfiber applicator pad. It or the product left what I call hand holograms/marring. Its supposed to be a `apply by hand` product. Had to go back with griots perfecting cream on my DA to fix it.
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Hey, that really caught my attention! I used lots of PCL back in the day, but that was the older *and supposedly *MORE* aggressive version*, and it never did that (although P21s GEPC did on some really soft paint..so the PCL was milder than that by far).

Since I *assume* (uh-oh..) that you`ve tested that MF applicator I wonder what`s with the PCL to do that?!? I`d call the vendor, but then I guess I`m more surprised (and interested in what happened) than a lot of people would be. That stuff used to be about as close to functionally non-abrasive as, say....KAIO.
 
General Lee said:
You coulda said liquid too! :unsure:
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Guess that`s what we`re wondering, whether the current Liquid has that same Signature Look that the Paste imparts.

As regulars here have heard a million times before, Souveran is the one LSP that my wife could spot *instantly* on her silver Audi. She knew with a glance whether I`d used that or something else (she preferred the Souveran but I tired of redoing it at every wash).
 
Accumulator said:
Hey, that really caught my attention! I used lots of PCL back in the day, but that was the older *and supposedly *MORE* aggressive version*, and it never did that (although P21s GEPC did on some really soft paint..so the PCL was milder than that by far).

Since I *assume* (uh-oh..) that you`ve tested that MF applicator I wonder what`s with the PCL to do that?!? I`d call the vendor, but then I guess I`m more surprised (and interested in what happened) than a lot of people would be. That stuff used to be about as close to functionally non-abrasive as, say....KAIO.
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I did not test it. Rookie mistake by me. I`m finding my Mustang`s black paint to be super soft. Because of this happening is why I started the foam applicator pad thread. I`ll do some more experimenting with the PCL for sure. I want to like it and use it Pinnacle products exclusively on this car.
 
Accumulator said:
Guess that`s what we`re wondering, whether the current Liquid has that same Signature Look that the Paste imparts.

As regulars here have heard a million times before, Souveran is the one LSP that my wife could spot *instantly* on her silver Audi. She knew with a glance whether I`d used that or something else (she preferred the Souveran but I tired of redoing it at every wash).
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No, Liquid Souveran doesn’t have the same signature look as Souveran Paste. It’s nice, but it’s polymer loaded and was made as more of an option for any colors including light metallics. More like your typical waxes. Whereas Paste I believe was developed specifically with loads of oils and avoidance of bright polymers to give darks the look that it does.

IMO, Liquid Souveran looks closer to Pinnacle Signature Series II (which I believe was also formulated for glossy looks on lighter colors).
 
General Lee- Ah, Mustang paint being soft...that`s new to me as I`ve always thought of Ford`s clear as being "Medium". But I really only know from Crown Vics...

I am really curious about what`s going on though, hope you figure out what`s causing that issue and have a chance to post back.

When I originally tried PCL, it was after Irene at TOL discussed it relative to Zymol`s HD Cleanse...saying that the PCL was *less* abrasive than the HDC, which is supposedly (never tried it myself..) functionally nonabrasive on most any modern autopaint (somebody please correct me if I`m wrong about that..).

acuRAS82- That`s kinda what I was expecting from the liquid version.

I`ll be the first to admit that it seems funny for my wife and me to *LOVE* the look of Souveran Paste on colors like white and silver, but we always did. We NEVER thought it muted the metallic or anything like that, not even close to the way 476S, let alone M26 does. It didn`t make them look "deeper than normal" or *anything* along those lines...funny, might just be eye-of-beholder.
 
Accumulator said:
General Lee- Ah, Mustang paint being soft...that`s new to me as I`ve always thought of Ford`s clear as being "Medium". But I really only know from Crown Vics...

I am really curious about what`s going on though, hope you figure out what`s causing that issue and have a chance to post back.
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Yea, its a 19` in shadow black. My first black car I`ve owned and good lord is it stressing me out. Seems like everything scratches it. I knew it would stress me out but I wanted that Bullitt edition mustang. Its not a daily driver so that helps, but I can`t put her away dirty when there is a chance she won`t be driven for a week or two at a time.

I have some foam pads on the way, found 2 different types from meguiars that I`m going to try. So more experimenting to come.
 
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