are the problems for toyota/lexus just starting?

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BigAl3

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with all the injuries & deaths, it seems like they have been pushing issues under the rug for quite some time, and now it's coming back to them big time. what's everyone's opinion on what's going to happen to them and what they need to do to gain there customer's trust again? i've seen five brand new corolla's on the streets in the past few days, so they must be selling them for cheap.



here's a disturbing call that an unfortunate family had to give up their lives because their accelerator on their lexus was stuck...



YouTube - Toyota 911 Call Of Family's Fatal Lexus Crash
 
The bigger they are, the harder they fall...and like many others, Toyota is no

exception. Obviously. However, in time, they will recover and be on top again;

that's without a doubt. If i had large sums to invest, i'd buy their stocks and hold...



And to regain trust, they're taking serious measures by halting sales and

shutting down plants. As to whether they knew of serious problems; most likely.
 
They make great cars for over 30 years, make a few mistakes, and everyone is attacking them. I have been nothing but satisfied with my Scion (made in Japan by Toyota). I think in the long run, their quality will see them though this tough time.
 
BigAl3 said:
* please keep the topic on toyota/lexus *



with all the injuries & deaths, it seems like they have been pushing issues under the rug for quite some time, and now it's coming back to them big time. what's everyone's opinion on what's going to happen to them and what they need to do to gain there customer's trust again? i've seen five brand new corolla's on the streets in the past few days, so they must be selling them for cheap.



here's a disturbing call that an unfortunate family had to give up their lives because their accelerator on their lexus was stuck...



YouTube - Toyota 911 Call Of Family's Fatal Lexus Crash
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I really don't understand this...as the operator asked, "can you turn off the car?", did they put it in neutral? the guy on the phone said "we don't have any brakes" but isn't that the whole point of the emergency brake?



it seems less a 100% fault of toyota (though they're still at fault) and more of a lack of emergency driving know how. blaming toyota 100% is like blaming an engineer for putting an external fire escape on a building and people jump to their deaths because they don't know proper technique. I know this is a poor analogy but you get the idea.
 
The term "emergency brake" is no longer used, by anyone. It is not made, and never has been made, for emergencies really. Obviously, locking the rear brakes while moving is ineffective to stopping and maintaining control. In any case it should be called the "brake, then emergency".



The correct term for it is "Parking Brake", and this is the only thing it is designed to do: hold the vehicle stationary when already stationary.



Not that this has anything to do with whats happening, but as an automotive engineer I had to point it out ;)
 
brwill2005 said:
They make great cars for over 30 years, make a few mistakes, and everyone is attacking them. I have been nothing but satisfied with my Scion (made in Japan by Toyota). I think in the long run, their quality will see them though this tough time.
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This isn't the first time a car company has had these kinds of problems. I seem to recall exploding Pintos and rollovers involving shredded Friestones and I'm pretty sure Ford is still in business. I don't recall them getting dogpiled like this though.



TL
 
Flashtime said:
The bigger they are, the harder they fall...and like many others, Toyota is no

exception. Obviously. However, in time, they will recover and be on top again;

that's without a doubt. If i had large sums to invest, i'd buy their stocks and hold...



And to regain trust, they're taking serious measures by halting sales and

shutting down plants. As to whether they knew of serious problems; most likely.
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Are you kidding me right now, they lied to the American Public and just denied that there was anything wrong. Over 50 people have died because of this and now they finally decide to do something about it ?? This company cannot be trusted and someone needs to pay for all of these deaths, I will never support a company who does not care about there customers.
 
If the car starts accelerating by it self, why not just put it in neutral? Ofcourse a car should not do this, but too many people who drive have no idea how a car works..
 
cpufreak3 said:
Is there any proof that this is a real call?



I thought the Lexus division wasn't affected by the recall...
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I also wondered if it was a real call because of the demeanor of the operator, he seemed less than helpful and more so annoyed





jlb85 said:
The term "emergency brake" is no longer used, by anyone. It is not made, and never has been made, for emergencies really. Obviously, locking the rear brakes while moving is ineffective to stopping and maintaining control. In any case it should be called the "brake, then emergency".



The correct term for it is "Parking Brake", and this is the only thing it is designed to do: hold the vehicle stationary when already stationary.



Not that this has anything to do with whats happening, but as an automotive engineer I had to point it out
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when I was taught driving, both by my mom and "dad" (really big brother from big brother/sister but thats another story), they would have me bring the vehicle to a stop using only the emergency hand brake, the key is not to simply yank up on the brake (you shouldn't even do this when setting it for parking) you depress the button and lift slowly. for cars with a foot brake instead of a hand brake I don't know exactly how to use that. when I took driver's ed, the only thing they made you do for "emergency driving" was slam on the brakes in <2 seconds incase something ran out in front of the car (kid/animal/etc), I want to know if people up north are taught snow driving in drivers ed, if not, thats lame.
 
brwill2005 said:
They make great cars for over 30 years, make a few mistakes, and everyone is attacking them. I have been nothing but satisfied with my Scion (made in Japan by Toyota). I think in the long run, their quality will see them though this tough time.
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I couldn't agree more. My next vehicle will be a 2010 Scion XB (my daily driver). How quickly people forget about the Ford expeditions that were causing fires while parked, in a lot of cases burning down the owners home. Also, Ford's partnership with Firestone tires, let's not forget the hundreds of people who died because of the failure of not making sure proper R&D was performed within that partnership. At least Toyota is doing the right thing.
 
IkeRay said:
I also wondered if it was a real call because of the demeanor of the operator, he seemed less than helpful and more so annoyed









when I was taught driving, both by my mom and "dad" (really big brother from big brother/sister but thats another story), they would have me bring the vehicle to a stop using only the emergency hand brake, the key is not to simply yank up on the brake (you shouldn't even do this when setting it for parking) you depress the button and lift slowly. for cars with a foot brake instead of a hand brake I don't know exactly how to use that. when I took driver's ed, the only thing they made you do for "emergency driving" was slam on the brakes in <2 seconds incase something ran out in front of the car (kid/animal/etc), I want to know if people up north are taught snow driving in drivers ed, if not, thats lame.
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This was very real. This was a off duty CHP officer and his family. The Lexus they were in was a loaner while his vehicle was getting some service done to it. It had the push button start so he couldn't just turn the ignition off. Being a loaner he wasn't familiar with the all of the cars functions. Witnesses reported seeing the wheels on fire from the attempts to brake at 100+ mph.
 
Toyota will get through this just fine. As was mentioned earlier, Ford used to have problems with Pintos exploding. GM had a similar problem with their full sized trucks back in the 90's as well. Remember the whole "fuel tanks mounted outside the frame rail" fiasco? Other than comedians having material for years, most people will soon forget about this. The big problem especially in this country is how most people think of cars. Cars in general have gone from something that's fun and involving to drive to something that has taken as much involvement away from the driver as possible.







It just occurred to me that I had a stuck throttle, in a Toyota no less, many years ago. It was way back in high school. I had a lifted toyota truck that looked just like the one in "Back to the Future". Anyway I was out with some friends driving through some snow drifts. After hitting one the throttle got stuck wide open. All I did was push in the clutch and turn off the ignition. God bless the manual transmission!
 
Streetlife said:
I couldn't agree more. My next vehicle will be a 2010 Scion XB (my daily driver). How quickly people forget about the Ford expeditions that were causing fires while parked, in a lot of cases burning down the owners home. Also, Ford's partnership with Firestone tires, let's not forget the hundreds of people who died because of the failure of not making sure proper R&D was performed within that partnership. At least Toyota is doing the right thing.
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Good luck with your new purchase but this problem has caused the most deaths then all of the auto companies combined.
 
im curious about the electronic steering issues toyota is having.. i dont understand why anyone would replace a steering column with wires..if you have an issue with the steering system, and no steering column as a backup, then you have absolutley no control over steering.. id personally rather have my throttle stick, than have no steering. seems in my opinion anyway, like a very unnecesary system with a very obvious and serious risks.
 
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