Applied Zaino AIO with Flex and had problem

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Iman

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I took the past few days off and decided to give my new Flex a try. I used SIP (orange pad) and PO1066 (white pad). I had no idea how much dusting these products produce!



Since I had the Flex out, I used it to apply Zaino AIO. I let it haze per the directions but had a very very difficult time wiping it off! In fact I had to hit it with the Flex and the 1066 is several areas again.



What went wrong? Should I not have used the Flex to apply it? The car is a black Porsche Turbo...soft paint.
 
Did you wash the car after the 106ff but before the ZAIO?



Menezrna's lubricants are very stubborn (sometimes requiring several wipes with prep-sol or 100 percent alcohol) to remove. In my experience, there is so much lubricating oils left behind on the surface, that the Zaino AIO will not cut through them. I have had the problem before (using a PC). Now, after I use 106ff, I wash the car and wipe it down with prep-sol two or three times. Not only does this reveal any swirls that still remain, but it also removed all problems I had with the AIO.
 
My experience with Z-AIO was exactly the opposite. I used it on one car which had previously only had Zaino products on it and 2 others which were so far away from any wax or sealant that they may as well have never seen any. In all 3 cases, the Z-AIO went on easily and wiped off easily, I did Dawn wash first.



One of the major problems with Zaino's stuff is the need to use a minute amount.



Could you have used too much Z-AIO?
 
Four small pea sized dots of ZAIO is all you need on your pad. You should work it till its clear. A spritz of Z6 on the pad every other panel helps too. If you can still see the product when you are done you have either used too much or not worked it long enough. I use ZAIO with a rotary and a white LC pad on a regular basis. I go over the entire vehicle first, then come back and wipe it off. Always comes off very easy.





I looked back and the last time I used ZAIO after 106ff, I did do a Z7 wash to get rid of the dust on the car before using the ZAIO. I used a PC at spped 6 with a white LC pad and ZAIO on that one and did not have any issues.
 
My guess is that some residual 106 was not buffed off completely and the ZAIO combined with this residual to form some plaques of the 2 agents. I come to this conclusion because of the OP's need to use 106 to remove. ZAIO residual alone can normally be removed quite easily with just a H2O damp MF.



One should be able to remove any polish "lube" residue during the ZAIO application but not large amount of "polish" residue.



I normally perform a full-strength IPA wipe down after polishing, not to remove all the polishing lube, but mainly to re-inspect my work in eliminating the blemishes. A wash does a better job of course.



Conclusion:

Probably too much product was used during both steps and neither product was buffed to it end-point. Both products should be buffed until very little residual remains prior to final hand removal.



Could this be isolated to ZAIO alone? There has been isolated reports of Klasse AIO, Ultima Paint Prep, Optimum, Vanilla Moose, P21S cleanser, etc removal problems but most have been traced to usage and not a universal product problem. Personally, I can not recall having such a problem with any of these products. Years of experiences may have negated any concern when faced with such a roadblock that the problem was quickly rectified without a second thought. :nixweiss

Hope this helps in the future.
 
Do you think it was heat related?



I have never used ZAIO with a rotary or a Flex, but it could have a bad reaction to the heat.



Too much product, yes.



I also prescribe to the alcohol wipe-down, its a must after any Menzerna product.
 
jsatek said:
Do you think it was heat related?



I have never used ZAIO with a rotary or a Flex, but it could have a bad reaction to the heat.



Too much product, yes.



I also prescribe to the alcohol wipe-down, its a must after any Menzerna product.
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I don't think machine caused heat was the issue. ZAIO really spreads and needs to be applied real thin.
 
Thanks for the advice. I did wash the car with ONR, at QD strength, to remove dust after the PO1066. I used the Flex with the Z AIO on a black pad to be able to spread it thinner than by hand.



I suspect you are correct in that I probably didn't breakdown the polishes enough in either case. Most likely "operator error!" I will use the alcohol wipe down when I redo it on New Year's Day.



This was my first ever problem with Zaino. I generally have been very happy with it.
 
Iman said:
Thanks for the advice. I did wash the car with ONR, at QD strength, to remove dust after the PO1066. I used the Flex with the Z AIO on a black pad to be able to spread it thinner than by hand.



I suspect you are correct in that I probably didn't breakdown the polishes enough in either case. Most likely "operator error!" I will use the alcohol wipe down when I redo it on New Year's Day.



This was my first ever problem with Zaino. I generally have been very happy with it.
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The reason we are able to give some suggestions on probable etiology of a problem is because at some point we all faced similar or like episodes.

"Been there, done that." :wall
 
Iman - I would use a white pad with zaio. To make sure that it can clean the paint after polishing.



Otherwise follow Z28's advise. 106/sip dusts much less with a da mashine than with a rotary. so yes you used way too much.
 
Iman said:
How much SIP/106 should be used on orange 6.5 inch pad?
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I normally apply a thin circular bead for initial loading of pad. After this I just use four 1/4"

dabs. I work the product until nothing is left but a clear thin glaze-like appearance on the finish.

If dusting occurs cut back on the amount of polish and a spritz of Z6, water or a silicone-free QD (i.e. Meg Final Inspection) on the pad helps greatly to reduce dusting and also increases working time of the polish.
 
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