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Hey guys, looking for a little help. I have a client who has taken delivery of a new car and I am going to perform a complete correction starting Monday. The car is a Pagani Zonda. I've never even seen one. So, just wondering if anyone has expereince with the paint and might know what I can expect - cerami or whatever??



Thanks!!



Andy
 
Never taken deliver of a Zonda but I have of a few other cars and I would tell you to expect about 5 hours of work for just a basic detail (not to mention paint correction) as you will have to pull the plastic from interior and exterior and with the interior you have to be very gentle or you'll just rip it out leaving some behind in hard to reach areas.



Thoroughly decontaminate the exterior with the clay as there will be a lot of gunk everywhere from the long journey.



Document everything so the owner will know if somethings wrong that you didn't do it and don't be surprised if you have pigtails, buffer trails or anything else in the paint.



Josh
 
It really shouldn't matter what kind of paint it is. I don't know any Pros that set themselves up for specific vehicles based on paint type. Every vehicle's paint is different and one's mileage and knowledge will vary. There are some ceramics that correct and finish easy and some don't. Because this car is hand built, it most likely won't have ceramic clear. Bring as much sandpaper, compound, polish and pads with you as you can and if the owner is willing to pay you enough - do your very best.
 
I agree with David, if all the owner cares about is making the car in concourse condition then be prepared to take it to that level.



Just cause it's new doesn't mean it's in perfect shape.



Josh
 
Yeah, I appreciate the comments. This client has paid us $2k+ for some of his other cars. I have no worries about what he is willing to pay. I'm interested in any experience anybody may have had with this car. I know it's a carbon body car and am looking for info on the paint - four stage, cerami, etc.



Thanks!!



Andy
 
No offense Andy, but if you're charging someone that kind of money, you should have enough skill in place to realize there's no magic product formula for paint correction. Can you explain why and how it will matter if it's single stage, base clear, 3 or 4 stage ceramic paint on top of metal, carbon fiber, fiberglass, alloy or magnesium? I don't think it really does and I've never seen any Pro ask such unimportant questions. Playing devil's advocate, care to let us know how you'd approach this car's paint differently if someone told you it was 4 stage, ceramic or plain old base clear?
 
Yeah, thanks again for your intent to agitate and start some senseless nonsense. Again, if anyone has had any experience with these cars, please feel free to shoot me a PM or post some contributive info.



Thanks!!



Andy
David Fermani said:
No offense Andy, but if you're charging someone that kind of money, you should have enough skill in place to realize there's no magic product formula for paint correction. Can you explain why and how it will matter if it's single stage, base clear, 3 or 4 stage ceramic paint on top of metal, carbon fiber, fiberglass, alloy or magnesium? I don't think it really does and I've never seen any Pro ask such unimportant questions. Playing devil's advocate, care to let us know how you'd approach this car's paint differently if someone told you it was 4 stage, ceramic or plain old base clear?
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Thanks for the PM, Phil!!!! The reply I received touched on exactly the areas I had interest in...my Positector doesn't read composite , nice to get an idea of what type and how thick I can expect the paint to be!!



Andy
 
Thanks for the reply, Josh! I'm just really anxious to see this car!!



Andy
JoshVette said:
Good luck with it, I'm sure you'll make it perfect.



When you're done with it, let us know if the paint is hard or soft, I'm curious too.



Thanks,

Josh
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You're gonna get your fare share!!!! The number I sent you also has a Koenigsegg CCX that you'll have fun with!!!



Andy
toyotaguy said:
****....need some help? LOL....I would love to work on something like that!
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Andy good luck with the detail. But in this instance I have to kind of agree with Dave. It dosen't matter even in the slightest what type or even how thick the paint is. Bring your A game materials and tools to get the job done regardless. All those questions you have about it will get answered in a matter of minutes on your taped off test section that every single detailer should be doing on every single car regardless of what type of paint, how thick it is, what kind of meter you do or don't have. etc etc etc... Sure asking questions should alway be welcomed and I think that's really all your doing here. But the answer is the same... It just dosen't matter. The test panel will tell you everything every time. It's why it's done. It's why it has to be done. Because the super soft clear detailer A did on the BMW last week isn't the same as Detailer B doing the exact same model and color of BMW next week will get. Every factory is different (maybe not on these hand built doo dad's but the concept is the same) they all do what they want.. THe paint on monday is different than the paint on Friday etc etc etc. And just because Super pro A was in so-cal on a 85* day with 80% humidity dosen't mean you're going to get the same results working in the mountains at 75* and 30% humidity. Your products will work diffrerently by the sheer nature of the beast.



Again good luck I'm sure it'll turn out great but by your own skills and not by the advice you've recieved of this site on the subject.
 
Yeah, thanks and I'm sure your business works just fine like that. But, for me, I put a meter on every car so that I know how much paint I'm dealing with and also like to know what kind of paint I'm dealing with. Going into a project with zero knowledge of what I'm about to encounter doesn't work well for me. We all take a different approach to our business - I have a formal plan, which is updated quarterly, I carry a $3m policy when most carry $1m or less. I will likely spend 20- 25 hours on the exterior of this car using polish vs. you taking 5hours using compound??



End of the day, the crux of my b1tch is the attitude. I look at this guy's posts and most of his replies begin with bashing or telling someone how unimportant or unless their line of questioning is. And, I don't recall posting this thread with the subject line reading, "Can someone tell me what not to ask or how unimportant is this query". Funny thing, I have a few business ventures going. Last year, I filed a tax return on the detail business well into six figures. I'm not posting this to brag or suggest that I am better than anyone here or anywhere. But, fact is, I'm in business and still in business. I deal with weather and seasonal conditions just as many here do but, I'm still plugging along. And, if some of you do business by walking into a project with zero knowledge and are comfortable learning trial by error on your client's $2m car, kinda makes one wonder how you remain in business and for how long you will??





Thanks!!



Andy
Jakerooni said:
Andy good luck with the detail. But in this instance I have to kind of agree with Dave. It dosen't matter even in the slightest what type or even how thick the paint is. Bring your A game materials and tools to get the job done regardless. All those questions you have about it will get answered in a matter of minutes on your taped off test section that every single detailer should be doing on every single car regardless of what type of paint, how thick it is, what kind of meter you do or don't have. etc etc etc... Sure asking questions should alway be welcomed and I think that's really all your doing here. But the answer is the same... It just dosen't matter. The test panel will tell you everything every time. It's why it's done. It's why it has to be done. Because the super soft clear detailer A did on the BMW last week isn't the same as Detailer B doing the exact same model and color of BMW next week will get. Every factory is different (maybe not on these hand built doo dad's but the concept is the same) they all do what they want.. THe paint on monday is different than the paint on Friday etc etc etc. And just because Super pro A was in so-cal on a 85* day with 80% humidity dosen't mean you're going to get the same results working in the mountains at 75* and 30% humidity. Your products will work diffrerently by the sheer nature of the beast.



Again good luck I'm sure it'll turn out great but by your own skills and not by the advice you've recieved of this site on the subject.
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He is in finance. Mom and Pop are farily successful real estate investors. He presently has quite an impressive stable of Italians. Along with his S7, this is his first non-Italian. I'm in the wrong line of work!!:sadpace:



Andy
karolra10 said:
yo better post some pictures and what does this guy do for a living
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Can we try and keep this thread civil. I think Andy is just looking for some info on what he should be on the lookout for or anything that might not be expected.
 
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