A "Found Item" B&D Automotive Sander

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ChicagoMalibu09

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Hey Guys,



So I came across an old Black and Decker automotive sander that was used by my father oh, 15 years ago.... assuming you can't reply "Don't do it!", is there ANY way that I can make use of this tool in my detailing with modern equipment that you all can think of?



I do not BELIEVE that it is variable speed, it must be rotary, and it is 4250RPM. I also have no experience even with RO machines :nervous2:. (remember you still can't say dont do it! :)) I only work by hand right now and was thinking of buying an RO soon if im going to start to get more serious as im an intermediate rookie and dead set on moving up in ranks.



What mistakes am i bound to make? What can I use this machine for assuming im going to make use out of it? any chance of polishing or buffing? All I have it the appliance and it has a very coarse surface on the wheel right now. I'

ll take a closer look about variable speed possibilities tonight, I just want to kick off any thought you all might have, including where to start.



ALSO, I found a picture of one via google, but am not sure about posting links or pics or what everyone here feels about that. Let me know.

It's a "black and decker automotive sander" and runs at 4250 RPM... it's unpainted SS or Alum.



Thanks in advance,
 
It isn't so much as "don't do it," it's more like "there really isn't much use for it." Modifications will be needed to accept polishing pads, but even after you do that the rpm still isn't high enough to be able to do any corrections. It would just be a good machine for waxes and sealants is all.



The Porter Cable DA buffer, which I believe is around 7500rpm (i'll be corrected if wrong), still requires a purchase of a 4" backing plate and 4" pads in order to do any heavy corrections.
 
stadiundetail said:
..the rpm still isn't high enough to be able to do any corrections. It would just be a good machine for waxes and sealants is all.



The Porter Cable DA buffer, which I believe is around 7500rpm (i'll be corrected if wrong), still requires a purchase of a 4" backing plate and 4" pads in order to do any heavy corrections.
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Some RO/DA polishers do get up around 7,000 *orbits* per minute and even ~4000 can do OK with smaller pads and the right product; 1Z Pasta Intensiv works best for serious correction via PC at speeds like that (rather than higher speeds, odd as it might sound).



But most PCs/etc. don't get much higher than 6000 OPM (rough correlation between "speed 6" and 6000 opms).



And yeah, you know how I'm always saying that those polishers do require little 4" pads to do timely correction.



But I suspect that ChicagoMalibu09 has something very different....



ChicagoMalibu09 said:
.. So I came across an old Black and Decker automotive sander that was used by my father oh, 15 years ago.... assuming you can't reply "Don't do it!", is there ANY way that I can make use of this tool in my detailing with modern equipment that you all can think of?
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ChicagoMalibu09 said:
I do not BELIEVE that it is variable speed, it must be rotary, and it is 4250RPM. I also have no experience even with RO machines..
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IF it really is a rotary, and the speed really is fixed at 4,250 :soscared: then I don't see any way you're likely to do anything with it except damage paint. That's a *VERY* high speed for a rotary, and makes me think that....



Iit really is a *SANDER*, made for bodyshop use (i.e., grinding down metal, rough-sanding bodyfiller), then there's simply no detailing applicaion for it. Period. It's like using a chainsaw to cut tissue paper, it simply won't do what you want it do do and will only cause severe damage.



Sanders can only work for polishing when they have speeds suitable for that job. A direct drive/rotary sander running at >4K rpms just isn't something you'd want to use for polishing/etc. paint.



If it's some other kind of tool from what I'm visualizing, maybe there's some way to work with it...figure out how to post a pic/link and maybe we can get to the bottom of this.
 
Accumulator said:
Some RO/DA polishers do get up around 7,000 *orbits* per minute and even ~4000 can do OK with smaller pads and the right product; 1Z Pasta Intensiv works best for serious correction via PC at speeds like that (rather than higher speeds, odd as it might sound).



But most PCs/etc. don't get much higher than 6000 OPM (rough correlation between "speed 6" and 6000 opms).



And yeah, you know how I'm always saying that those polishers do require little 4" pads to do timely correction.
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That's interesting info, thanks. I've never used a PC and probably should have brought up the website for info before posting the opm (I did know opm v. rpm, I was just trying to save on the confusion factor :) ).
 
What I have is what Accumulator thinks I have, most likely. It is a "sander" and is a fixed roatry at 4250RPM with no orbiting...



Spin up........... spin down......... no settings aside from on off and it has a backing plate with a rough grit on it (think #50 or something). If this is the case is Accumulator's verdict final? Any disagreement? It would be nice to get SOME use out of it aside from making a racket in my basement when i tested it and I don't do body work.



This is what I have below(thanks to Accumulator for adding the link as he has slightly more than 10 posts under his belt :)). This isnt my sander, but it's the exact same model. looks like this guy has too much time on his hands (made a holder but claims he doesnt use it?)



Thanks again guys...
 
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