...and check out this shop.
New FMIC + detailed at DLUX8
Not much of an article but good eye candy with some fun comments.
New FMIC + detailed at DLUX8
Not much of an article but good eye candy with some fun comments.
A combo of check out this Audi...
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Accumulator
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Nice shop, but unless those are some kind of magic fluorescents I'd think there's no way to know how decent the correction job is.
Heh heh, I'm about two lifetimes too old to appreciate that red Audi
Heh heh, I'm about two lifetimes too old to appreciate that red Audi
Haha accumulator. I agree on both points. Both look cool in an iRobot kinda way. I am a VW/ Audi man though so my heart still flutters a bit at the site of progression. Although i am much happier sliding into my Allroad which has been unmolested other than a tint job and apr chip.
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Accumulator
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D Tailor- Heh heh, and would you believe that an AllRoad was something I was *so* dissatisfied with that I took it back after a few days?!? Sheesh, there's just no pleasing some people But yeah, if the older dog's crate would fit I'd have an Audi Avant myself (pre- '05.5 
).
BTW, I still have your D2-car headlight-washer deactivation info, oughta get around to that some day. Thanks again for sending me that.
But yeah, if the older dog's crate would fit I'd have an Audi Avant myself (pre- '05.5 ).BTW, I still have your D2-car headlight-washer deactivation info, oughta get around to that some day. Thanks again for sending me that.
Accumulator- Well apparently you and almost everyone else that bought an Allroad ended up taking it back or wishing they had. I love mine though. Everything works great and still looks like it has never been sat in.
I like the way you are thinking on the pre 05.5 Avant. Definitely my favorites as well. I looked at others recently, but for a 'hauler' (perfect for detailing) i love my quattro 'ringer'.
Let me know if you ever need any more help with that diagram and such. I am happy to be able to help. Also let me know if you need any parts. I got a good guy...
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I like the way you are thinking on the pre 05.5 Avant. Definitely my favorites as well. I looked at others recently, but for a 'hauler' (perfect for detailing) i love my quattro 'ringer'.
Let me know if you ever need any more help with that diagram and such. I am happy to be able to help. Also let me know if you need any parts. I got a good guy...
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Accumulator
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D Tailor- Thanks, appreciate the assistance. Heh heh, might need some help finding stuff for my '93 V8 beater sometime!
Yeah, I bet you *are* keeping your AllRoad nice, do you have those weird, hard-to-clean wheels?
Yeah, I bet you *are* keeping your AllRoad nice, do you have those weird, hard-to-clean wheels?
WAS
Driven
Accumulator said:
Really ? All I use is fluorescents and the occasional LED light (don't even own a halogen, health reasons), and while I don't do corrections everyday, I haven't run into any issues.
Accumulator said:
You bet! You mean the wheels that shimmy just enough to make you take it in for alignment verytime you hit 50 until you pass 60? They always tell me its fine. They're not bad to keep clean with low dust pads and some spray and rinse. But it may be time for a refinish. While they have no rash or furnace...they do have some miles and are falling short of standards you know.
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Accumulator
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D Tailor- Heh heh, yeah..those are the ones! Even harder to eliminate that shimmy if you insist on adhesive weights on the back side only! I kinda figured that [stuff] might build up somewhere and throw the balance off but I didn't have mine long enough to have the problem (literally just had it over a weekend, good thing the dealer wants to keep me happy).
WAS- Whatever works for people is cool with me :xyxthumbs
In my shop, I have literally dozens of 8' tubes and many smaller ones too; they really light up the place. But... I just can't see anything except the very worst marring under fluorescent light :nixweiss Good for texture and gloss, and for "dull, wide scratches", but to see swirls/etc. I have to turn them off and turn on the other lights. I've even experimented with fancy fluorescents in art gallleries/jewelry stores and they don't show marring for me either. I need "point source illumination" to see it, especially the fine stuff. Heh heh, Mike P. and I have joked that my inspection lighting is almost *too* demanding, far moreso than natural sunlight, and yeah...I'm kinda nutty about the whole thing
WAS- Whatever works for people is cool with me :xyxthumbs
In my shop, I have literally dozens of 8' tubes and many smaller ones too; they really light up the place. But... I just can't see anything except the very worst marring under fluorescent light :nixweiss Good for texture and gloss, and for "dull, wide scratches", but to see swirls/etc. I have to turn them off and turn on the other lights. I've even experimented with fancy fluorescents in art gallleries/jewelry stores and they don't show marring for me either. I need "point source illumination" to see it, especially the fine stuff. Heh heh, Mike P. and I have joked that my inspection lighting is almost *too* demanding, far moreso than natural sunlight, and yeah...I'm kinda nutty about the whole thing
WAS
Driven
Accumulator said:WAS- Whatever works for people is cool with me :xyxthumbs
In my shop, I have literally dozens of 8' tubes and many smaller ones too; they really light up the place. But... I just can't see anything except the very worst marring under fluorescent light :nixweiss Good for texture and gloss, and for "dull, wide scratches", but to see swirls/etc. I have to turn them off and turn on the other lights. I've even experimented with fancy fluorescents in art gallleries/jewelry stores and they don't show marring for me either. I need "point source illumination" to see it, especially the fine stuff. Heh heh, Mike P. and I have joked that my inspection lighting is almost *too* demanding, far moreso than natural sunlight, and yeah...I'm kinda nutty about the whole thing
Really, hrmmmmmm, I wonder if bulb choice makes any difference ? I'm using high output, low energy consuming T8 fluorescents. IIRC, the bulbs are rated at 4800K color. I can easily see swirls and other defects under those bulbs, but for the most stringent assurances, I use the five-LED flashlight.
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
I'd hate to see the light bill from that place. Nice looking for a home garage, but all wrong for a detail shop IMHO. Not my taste.
Accumulator
Well-known member
WAS- Eh, I'm no expert on the various fluorescents. The ones in the art/jewelry places (note that I wasn't inspecting cars ) were supposedly something special, but again, didn't work as well for me as incandecents or the SunGun. They were better than "regular" fluorescents by a long shot, but I wouldn't say they were as good as halogens. (Heh heh, yeah...the people in those shops *did* consider me a bit peculiar, but I guess I'm a customer worth indulging.)
Maybe I'm just different :nixweiss I don't think my Brinkman Dual-xenon is anything great either.
Next time somebody starts a "which lights?" thread you and I can present different sides of the coin and amaze people by not getting all :argue about it (some recent threads here are *so* contentious
that I'm almost looking forward to a polite difference of opinion).
) were supposedly something special, but again, didn't work as well for me as incandecents or the SunGun. They were better than "regular" fluorescents by a long shot, but I wouldn't say they were as good as halogens. (Heh heh, yeah...the people in those shops *did* consider me a bit peculiar, but I guess I'm a customer worth indulging.)Maybe I'm just different :nixweiss I don't think my Brinkman Dual-xenon is anything great either.
Next time somebody starts a "which lights?" thread you and I can present different sides of the coin and amaze people by not getting all :argue about it (some recent threads here are *so* contentious
that I'm almost looking forward to a polite difference of opinion).
WAS
Driven
Accumulator said:WAS- Eh, I'm no expert on the various fluorescents. The ones in the art/jewelry places (note that I wasn't inspecting cars
Maybe I'm just different :nixweiss I don't think my Brinkman Dual-xenon is anything great either.
Next time somebody starts a "which lights?" thread you and I can present different sides of the coin and amaze people by not getting all :argue about it (some recent threads here are *so* contentious
I've always wanted to try a SunGun, but no one around me has one
For sure, a good lighting thread is needed, been a while since we had one of those. But if you disagree with me then I'm going to hit you with a bat. Just for say.
Accumulator
Well-known member
WAS said:I've always wanted to try a SunGun, but no one around me has one
The SunGun is wicked...in double-edged sort of way. You find yourself stressing about stuff you didn't know existed before! Mike Phillips hardly ever uses his, and teases me about how nobody's going around inspecting my car with one in real life :chuckle: He and I both find it utterly unforgiving, moreso than anything else....but it takes a while to figure out just how to use it (and when you do figure it out it's a sad discovery because your "perfect" finish is just awful).
.. if you disagree with me then I'm going to hit you with a bat. Just for say.
Heh heh, that's the way a few people here are reacting to all sorts of disagreements!
Barry Theal
New member
Sunguns are great, but if you want true correction get yourself metal halide! Oh and back to the shop. While it looks cool. Not set up at all for real correction work. I often see these nice shops, but the inportant purpose of a location is to be able to provide true services with proper tools, lights and whatever. This shop and all them flourecents will not do it! Although I do like.
Accumulator
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Barry Theal said:
Yeah, I could *almost* justify getting them if I did more correction. If I were doing it regularly I'd replace one bank of incandescents with 'em. Heh heh, as it is, I'm not spending any more $ on that shop of mine any time soon!
WAS
Driven
Barry Theal said:
I want to play devil's advocate here. First, let me start of by saying that doing a job (be it polishing, autobody, hell even web page design) properly is the ONLY right way to do it. At least that's my personal moral standpoint. Now, with that said, let's take a well lit shop (let's say with metal halides if you think those are the best), and this DLUX8-style shop. Would the average customer end up being more satisfied with a fairly-decent polishing job, but an EXCELLENT customer service experience (including the free coffee and cigars, blah blah blah), or with a near-perfect polishing job, but an ordinary shop / waiting area ? I hate to say it, but appearance is really big for a lot of people, and I'd wager that a lot of folks would prefer the DLUX8-style experience, even if the polish job wasn't as good as it could be....
Definitely something to keep in mind for those of us with fixed locations when we think about customer service. What seems like good customer service to us (informing the customer of steps being taken, etc), might not be as important as, say, free coffee and a cigar, from a customer's point of view.
Accumulator
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Different people value different things, no question about it.
FWIW though, Barry Theal has had some extremely high-end customers who were OK with shops of his that were, uhm... a lot less than fancy.
All a matter of knowing your clientele and catering to what they're after.
FWIW though, Barry Theal has had some extremely high-end customers who were OK with shops of his that were, uhm... a lot less than fancy.
All a matter of knowing your clientele and catering to what they're after.
Barry Theal
New member
WAS said:
Your completely right, I agree with alot of what your saying. On another words I know way to many pro's who work out of there house and make a very good living. Most making more on one car then a weeks worth of 40 hour pay. Your right about the whole apperance thing. Remember The nicest shopin the world, tools, and lights are only as good as the person using them. We could argue about this for ever though. LOL Hope your doing well in your shop!
WAS
Driven
Barry Theal said:
lol, I absolutely agree with the place of business not being as important as the work, as well as having the nicest tools and lights in the world are only as good as the person using them. I just find it interesting that even a shop that does "on-par" work (nothing outstanding), IMO, would probably have a better reputation that most other shops, even if other shops do better quality work. Yes, there are those extremely high end clients that will pay $$$ for a quality detail from a very specific individual, shop or not, but that's more a very small niche market. In the mainstream world (even let's say the volume world), the DLUX8-style shop will make much more revenue than the higher-quality detailer, simply because of asthetics (which is ironic, since asthetics is one of the main reasons of detailing in the first place).
Thanks, hope your shop is doing well also ! I'd love to come visit it next time I'm in PA
