476s application directions?

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DigitalN.

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Hey all, I decided that last week I would buckle down and apply some of my new goods to my car. I applied it with a black hand applicatior pad, and wiped it off with a quality microfiber as anyone should. So I go to wash my car this week, and to my extreme surprise, it isn't beading at all on the sides! So I think "hmm, it must not be clean yet" and I hit it again with my soap and wash mitt. And yet again, no beading.



Now at this point I know it is clean, there is no dirt to be seen, my only idea is that the car doesn't have any wax left on it! How can this be possible from only a week of winter driving? I have heard stories of 6 months plus!



Could it be the way I applied it? not letting it sit long enough before wiping off? I know I prepped it right (wash/clay/light polish/wash again) so I don't think that is the problem. Any ideas?
 
Slickery said:
Does it feel slick to the touch? Even if you removed it before the wax dried, that product will last more than a week
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It does indeed feel slick, however I am new so maybe it isn't the "slick from a wax" kind of feeling.





jedovaty said:
Are you sure you applied it to the sides? :D
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:D I am pretty sure I remember the day my back hated me for ;)











I am going out to reapply it tonight, any tips? I was thinking, do the whole car, then go back after and take it off, would that be too long? Ugh I hate wasting time having to do things twice. :rolleyes:
 
Well, you *are* talking about the sides of the car, I don't think water will bead there, gravity will just pull it down...
 
jedovaty said:
Well, you *are* talking about the sides of the car, I don't think water will bead there, gravity will just pull it down...
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Thats the thing though, it doesn't even sheet. It just sits there, water covered and helpless.



I know it would at least sheet off, because when I first had it on I sprayed it with some water to see the fruits of my labor, and it was magic. Now not so much.
 
Well I re-applied it earlier, waited until it was dry (I can tell I definitely didn't do it right the first time) so hopefully this lasts a bit longer!
 
Digitial, are you applying by hand or by machine?



I did a similar routine to my car a couple of weeks ago. The sides, the top, the ends, even the bottom ;) bead like mad.



How long are you letting it sit before removal?



As with most other products, starting with a clean surface is essential to bonding/longevity.
 
I had an identical experience last week--fully polished and prepped a 2007 S550, applied 476s via PC with a foam applicator. The customer came back for a wash--nothing, maybe a little sheeting, but not much. Ok I think, let's just see what happens--came back yesterday for a wash, the paint was *dead*, with the exception of one spot on the hood. I am going to monitor it, but I planned on making a post about it and asking--*never* seen this with 476s, so it must be something that I did.
 
I've never had any problems with 476.



I put a couple drops of water in the tin to thin it out and make it easier to apply thin coats. I generally will apply it to the whole vehicle, go inside and get a drink ro go potty and then buff it off.
 
There are some really weird contaminants in the paint which can cause bonding issues. I use to try everything; straight APC wash, prep wipedown, IPA and sometimes straight industrial dish soap. Recently I had to strip a mold infected LSP back from a car, and hit it with straight APC. The surface was squeaky clean, and the pooled on it nicely. I thought heck, I'm going over it with IPA to be sure. Wonder of wonders, as I spritzed the IPA onto the water film, it acted like a drying aid, and broke up the pooling water immediately and the water beaded rather well. I washed again with APC and left it.



So, always try to make sure that the surface is as clean as possible, and attack the contaminants with multiple guns. They can alter the polishing characteristics of the given panel significantly - so bad results are not always the fault of a particular polish or compound.

Unfortunately, deeply penetrated cheap silicones are impossible to remove. Luckily, I encountered them only 2-3 times.
 
tom p. said:
Digitial, are you applying by hand or by machine?



I did a similar routine to my car a couple of weeks ago. The sides, the top, the ends, even the bottom ;) bead like mad.



How long are you letting it sit before removal?



As with most other products, starting with a clean surface is essential to bonding/longevity.
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I am applying by hand.



Well the first time it definitely was not long enough from what I saw last night.





Picus said:
Have you recently clayed (might have missed it...)? If there is surface contamination that would explain the lack of beading.
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Sure did, I even polished it before applying :)





ebpcivicsi said:
I had an identical experience last week--fully polished and prepped a 2007 S550, applied 476s via PC with a foam applicator. The customer came back for a wash--nothing, maybe a little sheeting, but not much. Ok I think, let's just see what happens--came back yesterday for a wash, the paint was *dead*, with the exception of one spot on the hood. I am going to monitor it, but I planned on making a post about it and asking--*never* seen this with 476s, so it must be something that I did.
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Good to see I am not the only one, did you find out what happened?
 
ebpcivicsi- Was it the same tin of 476S you've been using?



If this keeps happening, I sincerely hope you guys will send the 476S in question to Collinite for evaluation.



I've simply *NEVER* experienced that sort of thing with it. But note that some paints/environmental conditions/who-knows-what can wreak havoc with *any* product so, well, who knows :nixweiss
 
Accumulator said:
ebpcivicsi- Was it the same tin of 476S you've been using?



If this keeps happening, I sincerely hope you guys will send the 476S in question to Collinite for evaluation.



I've simply *NEVER* experienced that sort of thing with it. But note that some paints/environmental conditions/who-knows-what can wreak havoc with *any* product so, well, who knows :nixweiss
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Yep, same one. Is that pre-voc? It was definitely a first for me. I did apply it via PC, so perhaps I got it a little too thin. :nixweiss
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Yep, same one. Is that pre-voc?
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Sorry, my memory is hazy :o Is this the can you got from me? If so, then yeah, it's pre-VOC.



I've had *two* weird cases with it myself:



-I got nasty pseudo-holograms when I tried to layer it on the DenaliXL (yeah, what a PIA buffing them out on *that* monster). I never had this problem on other vehicles, dunno what to think :nixweiss It didn't work 100% on the PPF either, did the "carnauba sweating" thing.



-I tried a FK425 final-step-spritz on my friend's '93 Audi after doing 476S. Got weird smearing that was sorta like a not-fully-dry version of the pseudo-holograms. It was definitely caused by using the FK425, but I've never had that happen before.



In this case, I believe it was because of the Audi's *badly* pitted/otherwise uneven finish. This is a car that desperately needs repainted and I suspect that excess 476S was in the micro-crevices of the compromised paint; this excess wax got solvent-actioned by the FK425. OR at least that's my guess :nixweiss



And the two above situations happened with two different cans of 476S, neither one of which ever gave me trouble before.
 
Accumulator said:
Sorry, my memory is hazy :o Is this the can you got from me? If so, then yeah, it's pre-VOC.



I've had *two* weird cases with it myself:



-I got nasty pseudo-holograms when I tried to layer it on the DenaliXL (yeah, what a PIA buffing them out on *that* monster). I never had this problem on other vehicles, dunno what to think :nixweiss It didn't work 100% on the PPF either, did the "carnauba sweating" thing.



-I tried a FK425 final-step-spritz on my friend's '93 Audi after doing 476S. Got weird smearing that was sorta like a not-fully-dry version of the pseudo-holograms. It was definitely caused by using the FK425, but I've never had that happen before.



In this case, I believe it was because of the Audi's *badly* pitted/otherwise uneven finish. This is a car that desperately needs repainted and I suspect that excess 476S was in the micro-crevices of the compromised paint; this excess wax got solvent-actioned by the FK425. OR at least that's my guess :nixweiss



And the two above situations happened with two different cans of 476S, neither one of which ever gave me trouble before.
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yep, same can. :D



I have had the pseduo-holograms on a brand new Maxima, even after two weeks of "curing" and two washes, they were still there. I stripped the hood and started over--I think I eneded up just using some old UPP(the one that smelled like bubble gum v3 maybe???).



99% of the time the 476s is absolutely trouble-free and *very* durable, so we are definitely talking about the exception, not the rule. <--For anyone reading this thinking that we are having "big" issues with the product--not the case at all.
 
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