1zpp, then Sonus Paintworks Cleanser then VM, then EX

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What do you think of that combo.

Paint condition is slight oxidation (Maroon color)and swirls.
Just washed and clayed.
Tried the above combo on a panel....looks good, noticed biggest
change once VM was applied. Really made the panel look wet.
Also noticed the VM removed more of what left in swirls than the 1zpp or Sonus Paint Cleanser.

All this was done by hand. I plan on using the Blue Sonus pad for the 1z product. If I need to get more aggresive, I will try the orange pad out.

Any thoughts, comments, suggestions welcomed.
Will post some picks after Im done with this SUV.

Regards,
Chris C
 
Chris,

The combo looks great, except I am thinking two things.....actually three things. First, wait for your PC. Doing this by hand is not going to give you the results you are looking for unless your hand can move back and forth at a rate of 5000 times per minute. Seriously, this is just too hard of a job to do by hand. Next, I am thinking that you might be able to delete the Sonus step. I believe that the Sonus and VM are very close to each other (VM being the better choice of the two) and will actually negate each other also. Last, your pad choice is a little off. I would start off using 1ZPP (this is your most aggressive product mentioned) with an orange pad. If you want to make another pass with a green pad to really get an awesome finish you can do that. After PP, then apply your VM with the blue pad and then go from there. You can apply the rest by hand or with a finishing (grey) pad.
 
JasonD...thx for your response.

Re: my posted pad choices...your correct they were off. I went w/the Green Pad instead of the Orange and it did a good job using 1zpp.
I went ahead and used the Sonus simply because of my lack of experience, period. I was figuring the Sonus Paint Cleaner would remove the wax the 1zpp left behind. My goal was to use EX, so I wanted a clean unwaxed surface if you will. I was thinking the VM might do the trick and allow me to skip the Sonus step, but something about Glaze being on the VM label messed with my head so I did the Sonus step after 1zpp, then the VM, then EX. After another coat of EX tomorrow I will put on some Natty's.

Looking back, I think I need to hit the paint with the Orange pad(like JasonD said), or get a tad bit more agressive polish. There are still some very fine scratches that I can see when viewed from an angle.

Regards,
Chris C
 
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I think the PP should be aggressive enough to do what you want, you will be surprised how much of a difference the orange pad is going to make. If, for some reason, the scratches are STILL there after PP I would look into either 3M PI III RC or 1ZUPP (most aggressive).

Hey, you can never have too many steps. All that can happen is that you won't see any difference, oh well. Trial and error is the name of the game.

Back to the scratches, if I usually have any swirls or scratches that I'm trying to get out I go straight to the 3M RC. This stuff is so awesome, you won't believe it, and the finish is SO smooth afterwards. I always follow the RC with PP and a polishing pad, then MP, and finally whatever toppers I'm using. The MP is comparable to the VM so it's basically the same step you are doing.
 
I love the Sonus Paintwork Cleanser, but as Jason said the VM will remove some whatever is on the surface. Since the Sonus is a polish it really shouldn't leave much of anything behind ...it is more the finish that will be altered. I have used AIO on top of SPC (new acronym, woo hoo) several times and like the look they produce together. Since you have all of the products, why not try it both ways - like try Sonus + VM on one door & just VM on the other - to see what you like best. If you don't notice anything you'll be saving a step (and product which equals money)...if you like SPC + VM better, then you'll know without having to redo your whole car.
 
I don't think it has any fillers, but we'd need to ask David B to make sure. It has little or no protection; I found out the hard way when a quick thunderstorm hit. It has no cut to speak of and is definitely lighter than SSR 1. In my experience, which is limited as an obsessed hobbyist rather than a pro, this is a vanity product that in combination with clay will help to give you a glass like finish.

Peggy Becker, bettercarcare.com & the detailer Autopia referred me to with product questions, recommended using the Sonus PC and then AIO and that's what got me started with it (I bought it in the kit with the Sonus clay & lube). I don't think she wouldn't recommend a product combo where the second product removes the first one. Her recommendations were dead on for my paint.

I've used SPC and then AIO on three or four other light metallic cars besides my own and like what they both bring to the table...the SPC really preps the paint well and gives you a great finish to lay down either a last step product or an intermediate product like VM or AIO. I could tell a difference in the shine & gloss while applying & buffing the SPC and the AIO just enhanced the effect.

I doubt that many customers would pay for an extra polish, but the SPC would be a great product to use for cars that don't require defect removal - rather than using something harsher.
 
Mtodde...so we both know Peggy. Peggy is the one who made the recommendation to use SPC after 1zpp along with my Sonus Buffing Pads. She stated it was more for treating clouding of the clear coat that SPC was being used, second was she liked the way the paint looked after claying/ 1zpp/SPC. She wasnt familiar w/VM & EX and was recommending the TWINS.

Very nice lady with a wealth of knowledge. Gave me her cell phone number to call anytime with questions, comments, etc.

Well this weekends project is coming along nicely. I will put a second coat of EX on it Sunday morning and wipe it down later in the afternoon with some QD. I will take some digitals and post them. So far I am pleased with the results except for the already stated fact that in retrospect I should have used the Orange pad. Oh well, live and learn, eh folks ?

Thanks for the responses too...good info.
Regards,
 
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JasonD said:
mtodde,
Do you think Sonus has any fillers or is it just a pure cleaner?
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Here is what I found in an article by David on usingKlasse AIO/SG over @ bettercarcare.com:
A quick word about polishing. Internet myths would have many car owners believe that polishing is bad for your paint because it reduces clear coat thickness. This statement is true if you're using a rubbing compound or heavy cutting polish, but is not correct when talking about fine pre-wax polishes and gloss enhancing polishes. Fine polishes serve to keep paint healthy by removing microscopic surface oxidation. They also round over the edges of swirl marks to reduce or eliminate their visibility. To prove this to be true, I polished a single panel on my car every day for 30 days using P21S Paintwork Cleanser. At the end of the month I could not detect a reduction in paint thickness using an electronic paint thickness meter. The swirl remover, gloss enhancing polish I use most with Klasse is 1Z Paint Polish.

Sounds like SPC rounds out the edges further, but is not a filler.
Regards,
 
I posted a question about the Sonus product for DavidB to answer over on the Autopia board. I will post his response over here as soon as he answers.
 
JasonD said:
I posted a question about the Sonus product for DavidB to answer over on the Autopia board. I will post his response over here as soon as he answers.
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thanks Jason...I'll be interested in the response
 
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