1Z Ultra vs DACP

EBPcivicsi

EBPcivicsi

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I have some IZ ultra that I was going to try soon and was wondering how it stacks up against DACP in terms of abrasiveness.



Which do you feel does more work?

How do you typically use it? PC? Cyclo? Rotary?



I plan on giving it a go via my cyclo with green pads or maybe orange, then following up with 1Z MP before applying my lsp. Thoughts?
 
I'd rank the Ultra as a good bit more aggressive than the #83. Expect considerable micromarring. I'd follow up with PP, not just MP.



Ultra/orange via Cyclo would (IMO) be about as close to rotary work as you'll get until the new Cyclo cutting pads/system comes out.



I guess I'd go Ultra/orange, PP/orange, PP/green, MP/green.



Ultra with the rotary is a safe way to be aggressive. It's designed for *low* speed use (under 1000 until it breaks down), so IMO it's probably even better suited to that application than it is to use by Cyclo/PC. Works well by hand for spot repairs too.
 
I talked to Mike (1Z) last week. I was curious about the Extra and Ultra if they were the same, yes they are. Ultra is very abrasive. They should not be used on clearcoat finishes he said with a PC, but to remove scratches by hand would be ok. Maybe give him a call first.
 
John Styrnol- I've been meaning to call Mike about that "bad" can of MP I sent them for analysis, thanks for jogging my memory.



They seem to vary their advice regarding the Ultra/Extra. I remember Mike discussing using it by rotary (that's where I got the low-speed info), which is a *lot* more aggressive than using it by PC.



I've used it by PC/Cyclo and while you *do* have to be a little careful, IMO it's nothing beyond the need for common sense. I'd say they're just doing a "CYA" so that somebody doesn't do something silly and then blame them. But it *is* a rather potent product, abrasiveness-wise.
 
Accumulator said:
John Styrnol- I've been meaning to call Mike about that "bad" can of MP I sent them for analysis, thanks for jogging my memory.



They seem to vary their advice regarding the Ultra/Extra. I remember Mike discussing using it by rotary (that's where I got the low-speed info), which is a *lot* more aggressive than using it by PC.



I've used it by PC/Cyclo and while you *do* have to be a little careful, IMO it's nothing beyond the need for common sense. I'd say they're just doing a "CYA" so that somebody doesn't do something silly and then blame them. But it *is* a rather potent product, abrasiveness-wise.
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I remember you talking about the MP way back, LOL I think also last summer, that the 1Z website did not mention not being able to use Ultra on clearcoats. Now that they changed the name to Extra, you should not use it on clearcoats, but I could be wrong. Like you said, their most likely just covering their ****s.
 
John Styrnol- Heh heh, good memory, recalling my "MP with the gray stuff" posts. Yeah, after all this time I doubt I'll get much of a response about that MP. I was sorta disappointed that they never got back to me about it. Not one word, let alone any offer of a replacement. Wasn't a *big* deal, but still...
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, after all this time I doubt I'll get much of a response about that MP. I was sorta disappointed that they never got back to me about it. Not one word, let alone any offer of a replacement. Wasn't a *big* deal, but still...
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Just another example of how arrogant that company is. I wasn't very impressed with the BS they pulled a few months ago either.
 
Accumulator,



You bet I remember. It was you and that one girl/woman that were using 1Z products quite often that got me interested in the stuff. I cannot remember her name though, but I think she was from MN.
 
Thanks for the tips guys. Looks like I may rerserve the ultra for rotary use. Perhaps I will try it with the cyclo and orange pads just for discussion purposes. :D
 
ebpcivicsi- It's also good for the "rough" first passes on those "random isolated deep scratches".



John Styrnol- Yeah, what *was* her username?
 
I used 1Z UPP with a orange cut pad via PC on many vehichles before. Yes it is abrasive but I found it to hard to work with compared PB's or Mernzerna which i found to get better results AND easier to use. Just my two cents
 
01bluecls, which PB and Menzerna polish do you feel is equivalent to Ultra.



Ive tried some PG and really like it. I also have a can of Ultra I'm a bit reluctant to try...what did you find hard about it?
 
Be careful with 1Z UPP . . . itâ€â„¢s much more abrasive than DACP. We call it â€Ëœsand in a can.â€â„¢ On single stage paintwork, youâ€â„¢ll see a fair amount of paint transfer to the pad. If youâ€â„¢re using UPP on a clear coat finish (not recommended by 1Z), use the slowest speed possible. It makes quick work of severe swirls, scratches, and acid rain marks.



On a side note, 1Z makes two very good products called Intensive Paste and Hochglanz Polish. I prefer to use these over UPP. Good luck :xyxthumbs
 
Yeah, MacGirl. That's it...thanks.



Knockwurst said:
On a side note, 1Z makes two very good products called Intensive Paste and Hochglanz Polish. I prefer to use these over UPP. Good luck :xyxthumbs
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How would you describe those two products? I'd rather hear your take than go by 1Z's ad copy ;)
 
Knockwurst said:
Be careful with 1Z UPP . . . itâ€â„¢s much more abrasive than DACP. We call it â€Ëœsand in a can.â€â„¢ On single stage paintwork, youâ€â„¢ll see a fair amount of paint transfer to the pad. If youâ€â„¢re using UPP on a clear coat finish (not recommended by 1Z), use the slowest speed possible. It makes quick work of severe swirls, scratches, and acid rain marks.
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Thanks for the advice. :up It sounds as though it would be ideal on s/s white paint, which laughs at just about every polish!



On a side note, 1Z makes two very good products called Intensive Paste and Hochglanz Polish. I prefer to use these over UPP. Good luck :xyxthumbs
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I've never heard of them...where does one find such an animal? How do they compare?
 
Alfisti â€â€œ yes, funny you should mention s/s white because itâ€â„¢s my go-to polish for major work. White can be REALLY tough :mad:



Accumulator â€â€œ not sure how to best describe the two . . . Intensive Paste is quite gritty. I consider it a medium compound best suited for the rotary. It makes very easy work of bad damage without producing major marring and swirls. Itâ€â„¢s pretty aggressive, though seems to breakdown faster than UPP without gumming up foam or wool as bad. Hochglanz is a lighter compound that removes the marring and haze left by Intensive Paste. Itâ€â„¢s good at removing light to medium damage depending on application. I prefer the two in worst case scenarios . . . most trouble can be fixed with less mechanically abrasive products.



Intensive Paste and Hochglanz Polish can be purchased directly from 1Z. The only disadvantage is that itâ€â„¢s only available in 1+ gallon containers.
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences...I have just the white car to test UPP! :up



Just another question from what you said...is UPP prone to gumming? Any advice how best to use it?
 
Knockwurst- Thanks for the explanations of Intensive and Hochglanz. Fortunately, I seldom need such productts, but I can see where a pro would like to have them on hand.



Alfisti- The gumming from the Ultra might not be *that* bad/common, as I've never experienced it. But I'm curious as to Knockwurst's experiences with it, which sound far more extensive than mine.
 
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