1956 Oldsmobile Rocket 88

Mike_Phillips

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This last weekend, I buffed out a very nice show car for a gentleman I met at a recent Corvette clinic.



Pictures and the write-up are here



The main goal was to take the finish to a higher level by removing the random isolated deeper scratches, (RIDS).



I started at 8:15am and finished right at 12:15am. Probably 9-10 hours of this was running the rotary buffer.



Interesting thing about the paint was that the dark green/gray metalic was basecoat/clearcoat, and the yellow was single-stage.



This was a large, but fun car to buff.
 

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Great looking car and nice work as always, Mike.



Wow! 9-10 hours with the buffer? :eek



Seeing that car makes me want Friday to get here even faster, I have a '32 Highboy and '57 T-bird to detail for the Good Guy's Auction. The owner of the Highboy says the car has about $115,000 into it and the whole interior is leather, so he asked me to remove my shoes before cleaning the interior.
 
Mike,



That looks fantastic! :bounce :xyxthumbs :bow :cool:



One of these days when I am down in your neck of the woods, I would love to stop by and check out some of your detailing techniques!



Once again, that car looks sweeeeet!



Cheers,

AMP01 formerly AMP99:p
 
SUPER JOB MIKE, IT LOOKS WONDERFUL:bow





Scott, I personally do not think this guy had to ask you to take your shoes off, knowing your work I know you would do as you see fit, like allways:bow :bow :bow your work speeks for it self:xyxthumbs
 
BY the way this is the type of picture I need on mypictures from the past thread, still empty, be a pal Mike and put it there so we can get the others to follow one of the masters:D :bow
 
GSRstilez said:
Just absolutely amazing!



Might I ask how much you would charge for a job like that?



First of all, as corny as this may sound, I actually hate charging anything to polish-out the paint on a car. (I never use the word detailing to describe polishing paint because to me, detailing is what you do with a toothbrush after your finished).



Typically, I charge $300.00 to $400.00 per day to work on someone's car. For most cars, I need 2 days.



In the case of the this particular car, I committed to doing it in a single day. That was probably a mistake on my part, but I don't have lots of free time, so I do what I can.



Next for these customers, I will be polishing their 1965 and 1967 Corvettes. For these two cars, I will definitely require 2 days for each car.



The reason I hate to charge money for polishing paint is because it changes the dynamic of the entire process, and in my opinion, it adds a negative dynamic.



To compensate and overcome this dynamic, here's what I do, (this is going to sound strange or corny, you can decide which),



I mentally adopt the car as my own. Then, I treat the car as if it were my own. And... when it comes to my car, I always do everything I can to take the finish to its maximum potential. When I do this, then time is never an issue, and thus neither is the money. Don't get me wrong, I like money and can always use so more, I just don't like feeling like I have to do something in certain amount of time to make X-amount of $$$.



That takes all the fun out of the project and for me, that's a big part of polishing the paint on a car... the fun of it.



And that's the strange part, taking a diamond in the rough and polishing it out to a glistening gemstone is a lot of hard work that brings with it a certain amount of risk. You see, paint is a thin, delicate coating, it is easily dulled and easily scratched. Making a mistake on someone else's toy is an expensive lesson in the "School of Hard Knocks". Been there, done that... don't want to do it again.



Even though it's a lot of hard work, filled with danger, (not like in the James Bond/exciting kind of danger, but in the boring/liability kind of danger), it's also fun and rewarding.



The before and after pictures of this particular project don't show the real story. The car started out looking great, what I did was remove the thousands of isolated scratches out of the finish and then bring the clarity and gloss up to a higher level than it already was. So while up very close there is a dramatic difference, from 10 feet away, it's not to dramatic. It's easy to take an old oxidized Mustang and do a before and after. It's a lot harder to take something that already looks great, and take it to the next level. (It makes you work a lot harder).



Today I'm going to try to set-up a day next week to apply the new NXT Tech Wax to Sniper



Now this will be fun.



Mike
 
Can you please describe your process with the rotary on a car like that?



For example, what rotary did you use? What setting? What product(s) with which pad at what setting? With single stage paint like that, I'm all the more curious.



What was your process from start to finish? Wash? Polish? Glaze? Wax?



I'm curious to know the game plan you used to tackle the job.
 
Hi Spilchy,



By the way, Don Knots is one of my all time favorite actors. I really like movies like,



The Shakiest Gun in the West

The Reluctant Astronaut

The Love God

How to Frame a Fig

The Ghost and Mr. Chicken

The Incredible Mr. Limpet, etc.





You know, I started doing this for all the cars I detail. The idea is to share what I did and what I used to get the results I obtained.



Here's an example using the black BMW I buffed out for lasts years Bimmerfest.



http://www.showcargarage.com/restoring_a_show_car_shine_to_a_1991_e34_bmw.html



As you can see it's not finished. That's because it takes a lot of time to type of the words, create the pictures, code the .html, upload everything, check out all the links, etc.



It takes time.



At the same time, I have a how-to book that talks about all of this stuff that I need to finish.



And then there are cars to buff out. I have also captured most/many of the cars I have buffed out in my life on 35mm film and could do write-ups on.



There just isn't enough time.



But... I'll try.



What I was hoping to do was to see if anyone was interested in going with me on a buff and kind of document it first hand and post what they saw.



Just an idea...



Mike



p.s.



Here is a picture I accidently left out of my write-up on ShowCarGarage, it was the Feather Sanding Technique (FST), I use to remove RIDS.
 

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Hello Mike. I just checked out the writeup at Showcar Garage. Great work. Definitely the kind of stuff that I like to read. I want to know a little more about the work. How did you get the pad around those edges. Are you familiar with the 2" pad for the rotary?



Ryan
 
Mike-just FYI; you mentioned the combination single stage and base coat/clear coat paint job the Olds had. I did a 1972 Rolls one time that was the same way. Obviously a repaint because of the clear coat, but the light metallic tan was clear coated but the dark brown (non metallic) was single stage.



I've noticed that even on new cars, some manufacturers are not clear coating some non metallic paints--Honda with white paint (at least on several white 98-02 Accords I've done) and Lexus with their black paint.
 
Hi Scottwax,



I've come across this kind of thing my whole life, that's why it's important to always do a Test Spot.



The deal on this car was the owner had the car repainted and this is just the combination of paint the painter chose to use. The owner was completely unaware that he had two kinds of paint on the car.



The owner atctually discovered this car in a garage where it has been parked and owned by the same owner since new. He told me all he's done is to have the car repainted, (and this was 20 years ago), had some chrome re-chromed, and the usual tires and tune-up. Other than that, it's exactly how it purchased it.



To see how special that is, here's a picture of the trunk... all original by the way, including the orginal spare tire...
 

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Please let me know where I can get a 3" cutting and finishing pads. Do they work with the rotary and do they require any more of steady hand than a jhook large pad? Does it heat up quicker?



Again, I love the car and the results!



Ryan
 
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