#16 vs P21s

klnyc

klnyc

Deep scratch guy.
Dont know if this one been asked or not. Anyways, which one last longer(durabilty)? Man, this p21s cost half more than Meg #16. :eek
 
klnyc said:
Dont know if this one been asked or not. Anyways, which one last longer(durabilty)? Man, this p21s cost half more than Meg #16. :eek
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S100 Is the same As P21S so if cost was the issue you could buy the s100. They they s100 at harley shops

S100 $15
P21S $30

Hope that helps
Greg
 
#16 beads (much) longer than S100 *in my experience*.

As mentioned S100 is cheaper than P21S, and is available in most Harley Davidson shops (Both made by same company.). S100 has a very nice look, though, and is very easy to apply/remove. #16 is sometimes a little "finicky" in removal.
 
Can I apply s100 on a black LC pad? Haha I'm beenin' lazy here.
I have it, I didnt open it yet( both #16 and s100). This snow storm going take some time before the snow start melting. By then we probably get another one. :(
 
I believe #16 is more durable than P21s(S100). I've never used it but thats what seems to be the overall consenus on the boards. I have P21s and its the EASIEST wax to apply. It takes me maybe 5 mins to apply a whole car and another 5 to remove. I don't know why you want to use a PC for its application. P21s is pretty durable too, not as good as #16, but not bad for a carnauba.
 
I think durability is not an issue. Guru Reports gave #16 a C+ for durability but an overall low score. For P21S (different from S100 by the way-slightly different formulations), durability was a B- and it won as the best carnauba.

Sometimes you get what you pay for...get the P21S. I like the look a ton better. :)
 
I find that #16 and S100 are much of a muchness in my experience durability-wise. But conditions here in Australia are probably more mild than in the US, particularly in winter.
 
I've used both and must say from my experience #16 last longer. I think they both look great but after a month of S100 the beading was gone. The #16 has been on longer and continues to bead. I'm pissed that they are no longer going to manufacture #16. I ordered two more tins to keep me stocked for a while.
 
Thanks guys, Man, I really wanted to test it. I cant do it now nor next few weeks. These snow are killing me. I havea piece of front qtr panel(blue color) in my basement, maybe I should give a shot.
I might give S21s a shot in the spring time. What other products has Carnau beside the "Sxxx"?

Btw, which is better Polymer(upps has them i think) or Carnauba(s21s)?
 
A polymer "Wax" or "sealant" should last longer than a pure carnauba wax. A blended polymer/carnauba wax should be longer lasting than a pure wax, but less than a pure polymer. Some people find pure polymers to have a "sterile" shine, whereas Carnaubas typically have a "warmer" shine. Some polymers like Wolfgang "bridge" this difference to some extent. In the end, the look is in the eye of the beholder.
 
klnyc, yes you can apply paste waxes with a PC,(P21S/S-100 and #16). I do it all the time.

In fact, #16 is easier to use, IMO, with a machine. It assures an even, light layer which is the key. It can be dificult to remove if you apply too thick of a layer. Once I tried #16 with my Porter Cable I was convinced this was the best way to apply it.

Opinions vary on the 2 waxes you've mentioned. I personally like #16 for its shine and durability. I also feel that it leaves a smoother finish than P21S.

Hope this helps.
 
There is no way an older tech wax like #16 can match a newer tech wax like P21S. Believe me I grew up with #16. P21S smokes it. Right now I have both on my wife's Camry. P21S was easier to apply and buff off, i more clear, and leaves a better gloss finish.
 
SilverLexus, arent s21s and s100 is about the same? I had read that once they were the same company. Hmm, I wonder what cause them to brake up? Anyway s100 meant for a bike, it concentrate in curve areas, whereas the s21s concentrate on flat surfce(like our car).
 
His original question is which one is more durable. If I were you I would buy a tin of #16 and a jar of S100. Compare and see which one you like more. The whole P21s/S100 difference has been debated before. I think its safe to say they are essentially the same product. I know a couple older gurus who have used P21s/S100 and I believe they said there were no difference to justify the price difference. But hey its your money, do what you want.
 
I think its safe to say they are essentially the same product. I know a couple older gurus who have used P21s/S100 and I believe they said there were no difference to justify the price difference.
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I've been talking to people in the business and S100 is in fact a different formulation. Wayne has been posting on this over at Roadfly. I have both I find that P21S is the winner for gloss and works particularly well over a layer of AIO.
 
I find it very hard that the changes are there, and if they are if they are worth the huge pricing difference. Obviously the company will say there are differences just so you buy the one thats double the price. If you believe that by spending double the amount of $ on wax that your increasing your gloss, by all means continue to. Its your money.
 
Well there are definitely formula differences that are real. P21S does not lie to its consumers just to make sales...they are a good company and they make some of the best detailing products out there. I like S100 as well but P21S looks better on my car and I am willing to pay the difference.

I get the price down by ordering the P21S kit from Top of the Line whenever there are sales.
 
Here are my recent experiences with #16 and S100. I love the look of S100 and its easy on-off, but it looks like 16 has it beat for durability.

Due to the bad weather and a busy schedule I have been forced to use those touchless car washes to get off the winter crud.

As it happens, my hood was done with #16 over UPP, the roof was #16 over NXT and the trunk was s100 over UPP.

The hood and roof are still beading nicely after some snow, rain, mud and 2 car washes. The s100 trunk however, has ceased beading after 2-3 weeks. Maybe the protection is still there but it looks and feels way different than when new.

Too bad as I think s100 looks very nice indeed on dark and light colors. So I will tend to use s100 as a beauty LSP and #16 as the winter protector.
 
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