1/2 Blackfire - 1/2 Zaino updated

SXTMagnum

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i am using the complete system of each. soap, polish, sealant, QD. i have split my hood 50/50, left and right. BF is on the rest of my truck. i got it before the Z. i know there have been a few experiments on this already. but, i can never get enough info from you. so, this is my contribution. i will update whenever there is a noticeable change. i think i will edit this one post instead of posting new replies. i will answer questions and comments with replies. i have not decided when to QD and/or wash. do you have any requests for experiments? it is going to be difficult not to clean my hood. but, i am keeping busy on the rest of the truck with 3m fine cut and #9 getting the paint perfect. it is 18 months old.



day 1 - application is similar. i like being able to remove BF immediately though. i had to wait about 45 mins to remove Z. neither hides swirls. the initial appearance is too close and not worth mentioning. Although, my wife said that one side was more yellow than the other. I take this with a grain of salt because it was dark out and all I have is standard incandescent fixtures in the garage. lighting is soon to change. Under sunlight, it is simply impossible to tell on a horizontal surface. I am now considering doing my tailgate with a 50/50 test for vertical surface evaluation.



day 2 - my truck is garaged at night and parked outside during the day. i accumulate dust normally. but, it is very slow. i have seen posts that Z has an anti-static effect and that BF collects dust more. this is not true on my truck. i thought there would be no difference in the settling of dust. in other words, i thought y'all were full of crap. no offense. well, boy was i wrong. there is a definite, highly visible, line of demarcation between the 2 product lines. Z has about 4 more times the dust than BF. i did not expect this. this is on a horizontal surface. also, the test is not nearly over. as these products cook on my hood, things may change.



day 3 - i don't think the dust levels will ever become equal from this point. i am debating whether to rinse and QD. this would skew the long term durability test though. maybe if it doesn't rain, i will simulate it with a rinse and QD after a week. i am really interested to see how the dust comparison will change. i don't know. i should be patient. any comments?



day 7 - rinsed truck after a rain. the water beaded on the Z side and sheeted on the BF side. the BF side was easier to dry. appied each products QD to it's respected side.



day 9 - today there was enough dust to compare. they are identical looking. the Z side feels slippier. pretty boring, like watching the grass grow or something. i did dawn, clay, and Z the wife's car. it looks real nice! not as nice as my truck though.



day 10 - dust report. the division is back. the Z side has more dust. there is a definite line where dusty Z half starts beside not-as-dusty side of BF.



day 15 - washed with each shampoos. the only slick part of the paint on the whole truck is the 1/2 Z side. also, during the rain in the week, BF stopped beading.



so, my results on a dark color car as a daily driver with daytime temps in the 90's and a couple of rain showers while garaged at night and QD once a week are as follows.



BF didn't last 2 1/2 weeks for beading and slick. it does not hide swirls. dust colloects less than Z.

Z is still beading and is still slick. it does not hide swirls. dust collects faster than BF.
 
I found that on initial application of Zaino that dust accumulation was high. After several coats and especially after a Z7 wash and Z6 QD the augmented dust problem ceased.

I have not had any increase in dust attraction after layering BF over Zaino ( indoor test ) . Still have not driven the Z28 to test for any increased outdoor dust attraction. Maybe this weekend if I find some time and the weather cools down. :wavey

MrW keep us updated. I could not pull up your picture yesterday. What color is your truck? :nixweiss
 
Something I've noticed with using Zaino . . . for the first 2-3 days after applying a coat, dust attraction seems to be pretty high. It seems to drop after that point, and even moreso after the first wash.



Just another data point,

Tort
 
Zaino is not perfect(despite what some may say). i too have seen some dust issues that i didn't have before. i'm sure someone will chime in and tell me that i must be using it wrong. :rolleyes:



edit: i'm three washes into it
 
stanger99 said:
Zaino is not perfect(despite what some may say). i too have seen some dust issues that i didn't have before. i'm sure someone will chime in and tell me that i must be using it wrong. :rolleyes:



edit: i'm three washes into it



I'm not chiming in about usage of Z,

but,



couldn't it be that one car is more sensitive to static electricity than another,

thus one car 'll have more dust attraction than another, regardless Z or another wax/sealant



could be dead wrong allso



:nixweiss
 
stanger99 said:
Zaino is not perfect(despite what some may say). i too have seen some dust issues that i didn't have before. i'm sure someone will chime in and tell me that i must be using it wrong. :rolleyes:



edit: i'm three washes into it





You are probably not doing anything wrong, but have you tried only partially machine drying your towels and air dry to complete the process. This was a point brought up by DK that really help my static problem. If there is static in your towels these electrons will become attached to your finish = static charge = increased dust attraction. :nixweiss
 
blkZ28Conv said:






You are probably not doing anything wrong, but have you tried only partially machine drying your towels and air dry to complete the process. This was a point brought up by DK that really help my static problem. If there is static in your towels these electrons will become attached to your finish = static charge = increased dust attraction. :nixweiss





hmm. i haven't read that yet. i don't use heat. but, i do tumble until dry. this creates static?



edit: actually even if static were built up with no-heat drying, these MF apps and towels came out of the same batch. they would be equally "charged." so, for the purpose of my experiment, it has an equal effect for both products. so, my findings will be even more useful actually. which product is better with static charged towels?
 
oh, one more thing. i noticed yesterday around lunch a birdie left a present on the BF side of my hood. i immediately went in to get the proper tools. i got interupted and forgot. on my way home i remembered it. i bent up to look for it. it was gone except for a little white spec where the edge used to be! the only thing that i can think is that it dried up in the sun and blew off. it left no etching at all. i can't explain this and i don't recommend leaving stuff from trees and whatever on the car. but, if these products do this regularly, that is all the more reason to use them properly and continue our research.
 
Question:



How do you wash half a hood with one product and the other side with another without having the product kinda go over to the other side? I do not see how this can be accomplished is all.
 
Guess My Name said:
Question:



How do you wash half a hood with one product and the other side with another without having the product kinda go over to the other side? I do not see how this can be accomplished is all.





veeeery caaaaarefully.:p



really though, i'm glad you asked. i was hoping someone would give me an idea. what i did originally is load up my mitt with suds and wipe back and forth on half and rinse suds away from other side. i don't have to scrub real hard or nothing. i keep it pretty clean. basically, on a regular wash, i just go through the motions without applying pressure and the loose grime just wipes off. i used to rinse with water only on my other vehicles. that is what i intend to do with the hood until i deem the experiment finished. i will QD each side with the appropriate spray after each rinse. those are easy to control the application area.



also know that this is not a miata deck lid. this is a full size passenger pick up truck. even if some mixture happened for a full 12" down the center, there is plenty of surface area to the left and to the right for comparison. i can tell this though. i see a definite line. my wife and coworkers see it too. if i were to rinse and QD both sides, it would go away. it wasn't there originally. only after dust has settled on it.
 
i added day 15 and i stopped the test. i posted results. it was for durability only. i didn't have to go as long as i thought that's for sure. i am going to start working on the paint surface now. so, i will be using less expensive stuff that i can strip off and reapply easily and cheaply.



for the record, both sides still shine.



i tried to post without opinions and emotions. i hope i did ok.
 
Great test Mr. W. Let's see if my Platinum can be two weeks. It just may because the day time temperatures here are a little lower (low 80's).



As for the Zaino dust problem, it is annoying me as well. On my other car the dust accumulates faster than it did with S100. Perhaps a few Z6 applications and Z7 washes later, it will get better. Or so I am told.
 
mr.w said:
i added day 15 and i stopped the test. i posted results. it was for durability only. i didn't have to go as long as i thought that's for sure. i am going to start working on the paint surface now. so, i will be using less expensive stuff that i can strip off and reapply easily and cheaply.



for the record, both sides still shine.



i tried to post without opinions and emotions. i hope i did ok.



Great unbiased review. You did a good job.:xyxthumbs
 
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