What do you use?

What does Natty's assistant look like????
Any pics Natty.

I don't know if you could fill their shoes Boss :D

Yea it's a small world Poorboy, but an hour is stretching it a bit!!
 
1 hour away...

I wish I was 1 hour away from you.... what I'd have saved on shipping, handling,... and so on.

And you could come here to detail at a temperature of 107.6 F
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we had today and even now (0:55AM) the temp. is 89.6 F.

Of course, as today was a holiday here, I went to the beach with my wife and child. :D
 
All we get is rain, rain and more rain:( I wish we had a hot day:p ok I'll settle for a sunny day:cool: Am I stretching it if I ask for a nice weekend:eek: :confused:

I forgot what was the topic..Natty's assistant ..address...
where is Natty:confused:
 
Hey Poorboy, your correct that buying in bulk and wholesale is alot cheaper. I understand that and being budget minded was not my real point to the post. I suppose it could have been taken that way. My point was that I can use soapy water instead of a QD spray and get equal results. I am not suggesting that my whole budget rests on the amount of QD produts I use.

As far as soapy water being a lubricant, well, what exactly IS a lubricant? If you put soapy water on the paint it is very slippery. When I use the clay bar over the soapy water it slips and slides just like I was using a QD. I havent had any trouble doing it this way but if there are high risks in this practice I would like to know what they are. You told me to be carefull, carefull for what? What harm is there in using soapy water?

I realise that I might not understand all the issues and reasons about this so I appreciate your explanation to help me.

Thanks,
John
 
John before your post..i actually was at Wally world doing my favorite thing...reading labels....what makes things lift and move dirt are surfactants, emulsyfiers and a couple others i can't spell....of all the car wash products on their shelves only Blue Coral listed a surfactant to lubricate....soap is basically a cleaner or lye product, water is an abrasive...that's how rivers , streams and the Grand Canyon was formed...most car wash soaps either are made to safely remove dirt but not remove wax or they seem to strip everything....if you squirted a bottle of your soap at a vehicle without rubbing it would literally do very little if anything.
If you do the same with most Waterless washes or QD's you will see the dirt start moving away from a surface and be wiped away.

Ok picture this..this is the way we were all raised....

Dirty vehicle...rinse dirty vehicle..now wet dirty vehicle..ok
Now you fill your bucket(s)(that's for you Boss (s)) and put your sponge or mitts or whatever in the soapy water and what do you do? You drag the dirt back and forth and then rinse...what did you do with the dirt when trying to loosen it from the finish...you rubbed it in at the same time...yes ..hopefully most people on this forum would be extra careful but you're still rubbing back and forth with dirt in your sponge/mitt and on the surface...
 
Well the car washing idea is interesting but thats not really what I originally posted about nor what I asked you. I was asking you about using soapy water instead of QD to clay with. The clay was the real point of my original post. A piece of clay is a hard thing anyway that could potentially damage a surface if not used carefully no matter what type of lubricant was used. What harm is there in using soapy water compared to QD when claying?

It seems claying is quite different than washing. The point of claying IS to rub the contaminates with the piece of clay. I have always pictured the clay being sticky enough to pick up the surface contaminates and lift them away from the paint before they were scratched around on the car. My mental consept of this could be wrong, its just the way I pictured it. I suppose the most dangerous part of claying is when the clay gets loaded with junk and you keep rubbing it. I agree that this is potentially a major hazard. That seems to be the most vital moment for the lubricant to come into play.

Even if guy was using a waterless car wash wouldnt he still be wiping the dirt off and rubbing it into the paint? Also I have seen car soap manufacturers say that the soap gently lifts the dirt away and lubricates the surface to prevent damage being done. I do believe though that damage is very common from washing.

Understand that I am not a major clay fanatic. I wasnt suggesting to anybody in the original post that they should clay every car every time. He asked about the subject and I suggested a technique that works for me when I do clay which isnt on every car. I do clay a vehicle occasionally though. I find it removes overspray quite nicely. I also like it for glass that is rough with fallout. I use clay from time to time and when I do the soapy water hasnt seemed to bring about any adverse effects but im open to reasonable input when its offered. I like hearing new thoughts.


I am asking these things out of a true interest in your technique and opinion. I also was wanting to know the specific reasons soapy water was harmfull while claying.

BTW how do you wash your car? With one of your products?


Thanks,
John
 
John

I didn't really aim at getting into that area either:rolleyes:

The first statement I made is that the clay mfgs have tested the clay and its best usage...I believe QD's especially Waterless Washes and there are a few of them besides mine, have MORE lubrication..that's all...
 
John,

I've always found good car wash soap to work well for claying. However, Poorboys point is well taken. If a product can lubricate better, than it would be safer to use with a clay bar. I've gone as far as to examine the paint finish while claying with a Jewler's lupe. Surpisingly, the clay "files down" particles, as much as is lifts them. It also leaves micro scratches that can be tough to see, unless done improperly, and then the scratches are easier to see.

Like you, I'm sketical about these things, but willing to try something that might work better.
 
[B]Natty Don't read this..lol[/B]

Boss do you actually look over your whole truck with a jewels loop? :eek: I can't even imagine what would be seen...
Natty I told you not to read this...back to the drawing board
:rolleyes:
 
Re: [B]Natty Don't read this..lol[/B]

Poorboy said:
Boss do you actually look over your whole truck with a jewels loop? :eek:
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Doesn't everyone? :D


No, not the whole truck............ I use a regular magnifing glass for that! ;)
 
Boss_429 said:
Poorboy,

Yes, it's one really "LONG" hour to Natty's house. Thank godness, as the world is probably a safer place because we aren't only an hour apart! :D Besides, if we were, I'd be at his house all the time borrowing his rotary buffer, and/or "car wash assistant" (not in that order). :eek:

rtcat,

I go through Hallstead (on 81) just about every week to a client. My uncle use to live in Great Bend. Nice country!
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Boss,

Now that is what I call an assistant:D :D
 
ok I checked..about an hour and 10 minutes from Natty to Boss and almost two to rtcat...

Now Boss and rtcat....20 minutes tops:rolleyes

me add an hour;)
 
I'm sooooo far away. I wish i was over there with you all.......


Never mind i wouldn't get any buisness :( But it would be cool to meet all of you.
 
Thanks Poorboy. I see your point. BTW, how do you prefer to wash your own car?


Boss,
I have a loupe too! I actually have on one occassion used it to show a customer how his clearcoat was damaged. You can see the tiny cracks and crevices from abrasions and from UV damage. It made a good way to sell a polish and seal when the guy didnt believe me that his paint needed care. He was told by his dealership that he didnt have to wax his new Chevy truck. It was a good little trick and now I keep that loupe in my tool box.


John
 
John..i only use waterless washes...winter time or mud I wil rinse with just water..but no soap has touched a vehicle I own or any vehicle I've detailed for over 7 years....yes before you ask...this is for people with well maintained finishes under the dirt....I usually leave my van out from November to March/April with absolutely no cleaning, but as we all know preparation is the true key to making shines and paints last longer, and then in the Spring it cleans right up with little or no effort...yes it is also a work van and I'm not overly anal about it, but for 90% of the general public my van looks really good...could any one of us pick it apart absolutely...I can't remember, oh yes I can about 4 years ago before my twins were conceived...that I spent more than an hour cleaning it. The same is true for cleaning Ferrari's , Mercedes, Street Rods, etc...using the best mf and a waterless wash can be easier on the finish, easier on the user, faster (especiallly if you are preparing to do a multiple step cleaning afterwards) , no drips, no clean up, and no looking for a shady spot....

Ok one more point..use your brain ...if the finish is over 100F ...you will burn your hand....can you do it yes in small sections, would I do it??? I'll be the one with a Diet Coke and A/C waving through the window;)
 
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