has anyone tryed duponts new products
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TQB
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I tried there wheel cleaner and I didnt like it at all. I think just regular soap and water would have done better.
shotime
Privitize it
There's a post somewhere that quotes a DuPont service bulletin saying teflon doesn't bond to anything unless it is heated to 200+ then heated again to 600+ for 3 hours or something.
AtlantaBoy
South Atlanta Details
shotime is correct..............
Simoniz says the same thing abot their new "Double Bond" wax. What a joke........
Simoniz says the same thing abot their new "Double Bond" wax. What a joke........
ranch4x4
Pull Over!
There is supposedly some chemical that allows it to bond without being heated.
In over 17 years for detailing for new car dealerships, every product we have used that contains teflon for a paint sealant, on those cars only, the paint starts to fall off the car within 3 years. Paint needs to breathe. to expell and except moisture to maintain it's finish, teflon clogs it so it cannot. Teflon is only good for aircrafts that travel over 150 MPH on a regular basis, when used on planes in flight the moisture encounetered and just the air forces it meets wear it down. A car will never see such use in 99% of the cases. Stuff is junk, IMO.
kimwallace
New member
This is my question to Dupont and their response from February of 2004
My Question:
Does teflon really bond to automotive paint and does it protect any better than a good polymer sealant or wax. There seems to be a lot of controversy on this subject in the detailing field. It seems from your description of applying it to a substrate that it requires a rough surface and heat to properly bond.
Thank you for you help.
Dupont's response:
Simoniz® System 5 is the only automotive paint protection system and fabric/leather seat protection in the US and Canada that is fortified with Teflon® and licensed in the US to use the Teflon® brand. Simoniz® car protection aftermarket products are sold only at car washes, auto dealerships and detail shops. Please contact Simoniz® USA directly for information regarding the availability and performance of their products. Please visit their website www.simonizusa.com or call toll-free 800-227-5536.
DuPont does not make any claims on any company's products' performance. Typically, Teflon® powders are used in liquids to enhance the performance of the wax, etc. The type of Teflon® you mention in your note are Industrial coatings that are "paints" which are baked onto cookware and Industrial applications. Hope this answers you questions.
My Question:
Does teflon really bond to automotive paint and does it protect any better than a good polymer sealant or wax. There seems to be a lot of controversy on this subject in the detailing field. It seems from your description of applying it to a substrate that it requires a rough surface and heat to properly bond.
Thank you for you help.
Dupont's response:
Simoniz® System 5 is the only automotive paint protection system and fabric/leather seat protection in the US and Canada that is fortified with Teflon® and licensed in the US to use the Teflon® brand. Simoniz® car protection aftermarket products are sold only at car washes, auto dealerships and detail shops. Please contact Simoniz® USA directly for information regarding the availability and performance of their products. Please visit their website www.simonizusa.com or call toll-free 800-227-5536.
DuPont does not make any claims on any company's products' performance. Typically, Teflon® powders are used in liquids to enhance the performance of the wax, etc. The type of Teflon® you mention in your note are Industrial coatings that are "paints" which are baked onto cookware and Industrial applications. Hope this answers you questions.
dr_detail
Beautification Specialist
What I was told from a Dupont tech but in layman's terms...
"You might remember the Turtle-wax from back in the day. Ya know that stuff that went on quite easy using the supplied foam applicator in the can; and came off like removing a super-glued quarter from the ground?"
"The teflon in fortified waxes and sealants helps in allowing the product to be removed. For a true teflon to bond the temperature must reach 1600 degrees."
"You might remember the Turtle-wax from back in the day. Ya know that stuff that went on quite easy using the supplied foam applicator in the can; and came off like removing a super-glued quarter from the ground?"
"The teflon in fortified waxes and sealants helps in allowing the product to be removed. For a true teflon to bond the temperature must reach 1600 degrees."
BaDm0theR
~Live with Passion!~
What i dont understand is why anyone would want a non-stick cooking pan material like teflon bonded onto their paint surface of their car?
Unless your worried about the eggyolk sticking to your paint after you fry some sunny sideup eggs, then it escapes me to see how teflon is beneficial at all.
Perhaps i dont know enough about teflon, but it just sound like another bogus marketing scheme to help differentiate 3M from other companies.
My 2 cents
Unless your worried about the eggyolk sticking to your paint after you fry some sunny sideup eggs, then it escapes me to see how teflon is beneficial at all.
Perhaps i dont know enough about teflon, but it just sound like another bogus marketing scheme to help differentiate 3M from other companies.
My 2 cents
groebuck
New member
paint doesn't breath 
- if your talking about paint less than what, 5-6 years old, it's got a layer of clear on it - so the paint can't breath - it's covered in clear -
I tried their wheel cleaner too (supposidly tire and wheel cleaner that repeled dirt and brake dust) I agree with the other poster, soap and water would do just as good of a job.
- if your talking about paint less than what, 5-6 years old, it's got a layer of clear on it - so the paint can't breath - it's covered in clear - I tried their wheel cleaner too (supposidly tire and wheel cleaner that repeled dirt and brake dust) I agree with the other poster, soap and water would do just as good of a job.
Focusedonsound
New member
I guess whats so deceiveing about this is that its made by one of the larger paint manufactures. And you would think (never assume) that these guys would know whats best for the surface of your car. And perhaps put out a product that is superior to everything else.
groebuck said:paint doesn't breath
Clear coat is paint without pigment, isn't it? It also needs to breath and replenished with polishing oil just like single stage paint, I think.
kimwallace
New member
I guess we never did answer the question ...
No I haven't tried it, but I would also be interested in hearing how it works.
Who knows maybe it will be the next Zaino !!!
No I haven't tried it, but I would also be interested in hearing how it works.
Who knows maybe it will be the next Zaino !!!