Zymol Estate Waxes

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bill j

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I am considering the Zymol Concours Estate Wax for my Caddy EXT. I would like to hear from those who have used this product as to durability and shine as well as ease of application. Thanks
 
Most people here are not fans of Zymol. I love the zymol estate waxes - I use vintage every time for my car. It is an excellent topper - at least for white. However they are very expensive. Zymol, from my experience, gives an amazing clarity and depth to the paint. It leaves an excellent feel - just like silk and allows amazing water beading. The wax gives great protection but only for a limited time. Zymol reccomends waxing at least once a month. The product smells great, but the application if quite slow and somtime annoying - esp if you are around the sun or the temperature is below 65 degrees. So if durability and ease of application, I would say look into another brand. P21S/S100 makes a great carnuba wax that is much cheaper and is similar in performance. It easier to apply and lasts a little longer. Also, I would suggest a sealant for more protection - like Poorboy's EX!

Sorry that was long but I hope it helps!
 
Thanks for the come back. I have seen the P21s products but have never come across the the
Poorboys's EX--can you tell me where to look for it. By the way my EXT is the White Diamond and I used to live in Charlotte(jusy comment in passing)
 
hey Bill, you can go to PremiumAutoCare.com to find all your Poorboy's products, don't forget that you get a 10% discount
 
I've got Vintage and I'm not too impressed with it. It looks great for about 2 weeks and then its gone. I did the math a year or so ago and determined that if you were to use Vintage enough to go through a jar per year for 40 years then it would be worth using. If not then you would be better off using something like S100. If you are just using it for your own car then you would have to wax your car every week to make it worth your money. $1500 is a lot of money to spend on a jar of wax.

Some of the lower end Zymol waxes in the $50 dollar range I hear are nice. When I read about people using them they usually compare them to the likes of Pinnacle Souveran or Paste Glaz. I would imagine that they are at least equal to those. Something else that I have learned from people in the 'know' is that Zymol is incredibly over hyped and there isn't much that goes into a jar of their wax. They charge up the ying yang because they have impressed on people that Zymol is the King of waxes and if you want a show winning car then you must use it. I think that most show winners have moved up to synthetics by now anyway, so that can't still be as true as it once was.

If you want to see through the hype and try them out for yourself, then there is a great sampler you can buy from them that has a 4 ounce jar of each of the Estate waxes. I think its 4 ounces anyway... I could be wrong. It is a sweet little kit though. I've seen it on eBay a time or two. Personally I wouldn't mind having one myself just so my collection is nice and well rounded. lol I figure if Vintage is the best they can do then I'm better off with my Souveran and S100.
 
For that price, you can buy a lot of other products and build a nice little collection. More money does not always equal better resuults. Often the differences are minute and a difference can only be seen if you've experienced the other products. I'd rather see you go with something along the lines of P21S/S100 or even step up to Pinnacle Paste Glaz or Souveran and see what results you get there.
 
Yeah, I'd suggest buying Pinnacle Souveran and spending money on some other detailing supplies. Not to say the Zymöl isn't a good product, but Zymöl Estate isn't a practical wax to use.
 
'Estate' isn't a wax. Its a catagory of waxes. The 'Estate' waxes consist of several different types of waxes ranging from 50 bucks to 1500 bucks. I think 'Estate' must translate to "expensive as hell' in Zymoleese. :hurl
 
I need to look up Zymol's Royale Twin Glaze. It has a price tag of 5570.00. I wonder if we can get a group discount?
 
LOL - hey fi you can find some i would go in with ya - lol - well i dont know where i could come up with that much money though! Does it even sell anywhere - i have never seen it sold. Is it like for special show cars and the employees at zymol or something?
 
I did a search on Google about the Zymol Royale once. One page had a paragraph about it saying something like it is special order. It was an custom mage for Bugatti back in the 1930's or something like that and you get 44 oz. with free refills (I think). Not worth it IMO because I think I read somewhere that they haven't changed the formula, and I am sure that wax formulas have come a long way (probably anyway).
 
Heres my two cents (maybe less). I have used all the products discussed on this forum at one time or another and still love trying new things as they come out- “Nano” wax? Right!:rolleyes: Anyway…Zymol is good wax. It’s the only real wax that I have used that produces absolutely no white dust. Yes, I have tried PSS and there was some dust. Zymol also does not attract very much dust either when fully cured, not as good as synthetics but close. Zymol is also the only wax company that discloses the actual percentage of carnuba in their products. I have often wondered why this is. I mean all things equal if carnuba is the stuff that is producing the shine then it would make sense that the product with the most content would work the best. That said I think the directions on the jars are ridiculous. They want you to lightly buff the surface immediately after applying. When you do that most of your wax is on your rag not your car! :angry They also strongly advise against allowing Zymol to dry on the surface. In my experience and I may be wrong (I often am), I believe this is because that Zymol has such a high carnuba content that when you do let it dry on it’s so fricking hard to buff it off you kill yourself trying. I think they know this and rather than lower the carnuba content they give you those crazy directions. It also makes you use up the product faster. So the bottom line is their marketing strategy is actually quite cunning because 1) They advertise that they have a very high carnuba content. 2) They give you ridiculous directions so you don’t realize just how hard the product is to use. 3) You use up the product twice as fast as you should. Interesting theory, Huh? :-p

Now after all of that you would imagine I would not use Zymol, but I do once in awhile. I put it on as I would any other wax and let it dry. You have to let it dry considerably longer than any other wax, a couple of hours. It does not haze up quickly like other waxes. Sometimes I just let it sit over night. Then I use a rotary with terry cloth and micro fiber bonnets to take it off. Finishing up with a final buff with a micro fiber cloth by hand. The rotary is really the only way you are going to get it off with out literally spending an hour of very hard rubbing. Maybe a DA would work too, but I don’t own one. Why do I go through that when there are much easier products available? Well I think it gives a very good finish, not just a shine but a finish, a finish I can reactivate with a little moisture and heat (buffing). It’s not quite like burnishing a floor or buffing your boots but close. On a floor or your boots once you have a few layers of wax present all you need is a little moisture and heat to bring back a shine. As I said before It’s not quite the same, because you are not going to be able to get as many layers built up like you would on a floor or your boots (and I don’t think a 1/64 of an inch of wax on your hood would look very good anyway) but it does work.

So all in all I think it's very good stuff if used correctly. But as far as easy? No way! The easiest is to have the local fund raising cheerleading squad wax your car while you watch.:cool

Now I know most people around here hate Zymol for various reasons but I thought I would just throw that out there for the hell of it.

Peace
 
That Estate Kit might be a good birthday present for me from the girlfriend? But then when her friends ask, "What did you get Nick for his birthday?" and then she says "$200 wax". :lol

Who knows, but it sounds interesting!
 
Hate to sound like a ...

Zymol hater (I am not) , but... My personal opinion is I have not found any wax or sealant ( tried quite a few in my day) worth over $100 for a couple of onces. And some of these waxes at $1500 !!! This protective barrier (isn't that what a wax truly is ?) better come with a scratch, chip, and swirl resistant guarantee for 25 years or the life of the vehicle. :-p

Nick ... For $200 you could really stock up on some other great waxes/sealants in gallon sizes !!! :)

Just my 2 cents.
 
I agree with the fitter that the content is the thing that gives Zymol the edge but at my "tender age" I need something that is not going to take hours of "elbow grease". I have instead of the Z purchased my first Pinnacle product; hopefully I won't be terribly disappointed.
 
Hours of elbow grease are what is required if you are going to do a proper job on your car. There isn't anything a wax can do to match a couple hours behind a polisher and the right products. All wax does is add a bit of shine and protection to the car to last you a few weeks till you can do it again. Its not going to do anything for any oxidation or swirls that you have on your car. All paste waxes go on in about the same amount of time. You aren't really saving yourself any time by using S100 or Souveran or Zymol. Wax is wax. Don't expect the car to look 300% better after waxing if you haven't done the proper steps prior to that waxing.

Once you spend a few hours on your car then you can get away with just waxing it every 3 or 4 weeks. Untill you spend that initial 4 hours of detailing then you will just be settling for 'pretty good' in my opinion. You have to spend that time to bring it up to standard first and then maintaining it is that much easier. That is all wax is for, really. Its just maintainance. Its not a one step product that is going to shave time off of doing it properly. That product doesn't exist. I've met a lot of people who are looking for a product that will wash, clay, polish, and wax their car all in one easy step. That isn't what car care is all about. Would you want a product that washes your dishes, seals your driveway, and conditions your hair all at once? You can't combine all those elements into a 'do all' product. That is what those Mr. Clean and Wax as you Dry kind of products are trying to sell to people. Its just cutting corners on a really fun and relaxing hobby.
 
The Fuzz said:
Hours of elbow grease are what is required if you are going to do a proper job on your car. There isn't anything a wax can do to match a couple hours behind a polisher and the right products. All wax does is add a bit of shine and protection to the car to last you a few weeks till you can do it again. Its not going to do anything for any oxidation or swirls that you have on your car. All paste waxes go on in about the same amount of time. You aren't really saving yourself any time by using S100 or Souveran or Zymol. Wax is wax. Don't expect the car to look 300% better after waxing if you haven't done the proper steps prior to that waxing.

Once you spend a few hours on your car then you can get away with just waxing it every 3 or 4 weeks. Untill you spend that initial 4 hours of detailing then you will just be settling for 'pretty good' in my opinion. You have to spend that time to bring it up to standard first and then maintaining it is that much easier. That is all wax is for, really. Its just maintainance. Its not a one step product that is going to shave time off of doing it properly. That product doesn't exist. I've met a lot of people who are looking for a product that will wash, clay, polish, and wax their car all in one easy step. That isn't what car care is all about. Would you want a product that washes your dishes, seals your driveway, and conditions your hair all at once? You can't combine all those elements into a 'do all' product. That is what those Mr. Clean and Wax as you Dry kind of products are trying to sell to people. Its just cutting corners on a really fun and relaxing hobby.
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Fuzz: I couldnt have summed it up better! :D
 
You know I totally forgot to say that I thought that the super expensive Zymol was ridiculous. Personally I would never spend more than$50 on a jar of wax. If you look at the percentages of carnuba in their line the best value I think is the “Titanium” at 51% total carnuba (80% yellow and 20% white). They say it’s for SUV’s but c’mon who cares? You can spend $180 on “Concours” at 47% total carnuba (90% white and 10% yellow), but I do not know how important the difference between white and yellow carnuba is. Especially since you are not really building up a substantial layer. It’s my understanding that most companies use yellow carnuba anyway. The “Vintage wax for life” is $1650 and has 61% total carnuba made up entirely of white carnuba. But I think the only people that buy that have more money than brains. :lmfao

I totally agree with the Fuzz that you have to put in the hours on the paint prep. If you do not do that the best wax in the world won’t help you. Wax is merely there to add a final shine and protect your polish job.

Peace
 
I think good old fuzzy boy expended every word in his vocabulary for that post. lol I've never seen him post anything so long before. And he did it all without a :headbang or a :naughty. Somebody better check the ID on that post. :lmfao

I agree 100% with what Fuzz said. Wax isn't much of a product for me anymore. Its great and everything, but I use way more UPP and AIO than I use wax. Wax is just too fragile and doesn't protect as much. I mean, if you were going to use sunscreen on your body to protect against cancer, would you use something that is 99% effective or one that is 30% effective? When you know that something isn't going to protect very well I think you should probably find something else for that purpose. I use wax for appearance only. Polish and seal to protect and then wax to perfect. Appearance is the only thing waxes are good for these days. Their protection is just so minimal compared to sealant. I'll always have lots of wax around and I'll use it frequently, but its an appearance product and not much good for anything else.
 
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